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April 15, 2020 at 2:49 pm #31158
I think much of the Bible is concerned with forgiveness as something that we must appeal to God for. I would agree that interpersonal forgiveness was not as innovative a practice in those times but it was certainly common within smaller groups from an evolutionary standpoint. Smaller societies would not have flourished without it.
Here is an interesting article.April 16, 2020 at 8:04 am #31159
It is behavior that counts. Not words. Over the centuries Jesus was near and dear in the hearts of Christians. Notwithstanding their love of Jesus they have proven themselves to be vicious, the exact opposite of the things you uphold. They were at their most vicious, ruthless and sadistic when apotheosis of JC was greatest.
But people were acting in the name of religion, not Jesus. Religion is a different kettle of fish: a way of governing society, as well as individual self-regulation. People who follow Christianity without the moral influence of Jesus end up hating those who are different. People who follow Jesus without the corrupting influence of religion are usually, at worst, passive aggressive.
If JC says be kind and love but says smite those guys over there and rape the blah blah,
Where did Jesus say that? He (apparently) told a story about someone else who said things like that.
comparing Christians and Nazis
The nazis’ was an ideology of hate. Jesus’ was an ideology of love. They are opposites in this regard.April 16, 2020 at 8:08 am #31160
it was certainly common within smaller groups from an evolutionary standpoint. Smaller societies would not have flourished without it.
This is interesting, and illustrates that Jesus’ morality came straight from small groups, and he rejected society’s norms (a feature of large groups).
I think the reciprocity you get in small groups comes under the category “unconditional love”, which emphasises partner control – making do with the partners one has available. In large groups it tends to be “tit-for-tat” or transactional, which explains a lot of the psychology of religious people who say “you have to earn it” and enjoy rejecting those who don’t measure up.April 16, 2020 at 11:11 am #31161
@simon Comparing Christians and Nazis??
“We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity … in fact our movement is Christian”.
Adolf Hitler, 1928.
@simon – People who follow Christianity without the moral influence of Jesus end up hating those who are different.
That is why I keep saying ancient Bible teachings are not good enough for modern life. It is those that profess to be Christians. i.e. followers of Jesus, that invoke the sayings of Jesus to do evil. They get all their justification from their god inspired Bible. This is how for centuries they justified the burning of death of thousands of women for the non-existent (like their god) crime of witchcraft. They used the Bible to justify slavery, to hold back women’s rights, and in general to retard the progress of all the sciences. Maybe Jesus would have been better off appearing in a different book entirely and not it that ancient book of myths and mayhem.April 16, 2020 at 12:18 pm #31162
That is why I keep saying ancient Bible teachings are not good enough for modern life.
Not only that. Christianity fosters a “closed mind”. They know all there is to know. It poisons everything, sometimes to a subtle degree, sometimes to a disaster, like in the handling of a pandemic.April 16, 2020 at 12:23 pm #31163April 16, 2020 at 2:40 pm #31165
I gotta show i am on a level with a monkey and stop discussing Jesus. You are not gonna back off your jesus fetish any more than Michael is gonna back off his prophesy nonsense. Just a song.April 27, 2020 at 8:29 pm #31280April 30, 2020 at 7:49 am #31290
I did and honestly to really give an honest opinion I would have to really go back through instead of a casual listen actually see if what he said is really true. It is a lot of information mixed with a lot of superfluous language. He sounded credible but maybe that was just the British accent 😂….The Brits always sound so sophisticated 😉 …
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