Things just went from worse to worserer — Supremes' EPA decision

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  • #43522

    Unseen
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    Of course, dealing with climate change… You can forget that. But this decision goes well beyond the EPA. It says that Federal agencies can only administer laws passed by Congress, it can create standards and enforce them on its own. Think about how difficult it is now to get a bill through Congress with all of the special interests and their lobbyist running interference and bribing legislators with offers of campaign donations with conditions attached.

     

    #43523

    _Robert_
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    Decades relying on a handful of elderly justices on the Supreme Court to remediate issues of discrimination, law enforcement inequities, First Amendment issues, privacy rights, and more. That reliance coincided with de-organization of most significant grassroots efforts. It is cool to be cynical.

    Nothing less than three or four decades of intensive organizing at the political and cultural levels will undo what has happened on the Court. Gay marriage, church-state separation, the environment, desegregation… consider it all gone because the right is organized against these things and the left is tweeting about how unfair it all is to lose while actually doing no work. With inflation raging I do expect the more-evil party to prevail and would not be surprised if Ron DeSantis is our next president.

    #43524

    Unseen
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    Nothing less than three or four decades of intensive organizing at the political and cultural levels will undo what has happened on the Court. Gay marriage, church-state separation, the environment, desegregation… consider it all gone because the right is organized against these things and the left is tweeting about how unfair it all is to lose while actually doing no work. With inflation raging I do expect the more-evil party to prevail and would not be surprised if Ron DeSantis is our next president.

    I agree on DeSantis being the next President, unless the public becomes outraged about the direction into which the Court has pointed the country, so I kinda hope the GOP-dominated states start doing seriously outrageous things allowed under the law, like refusing to allow gay or even interracial marriages or gay sex, banning contraceptives and contraception, banning and prosecuting “sodomy” between consenting adults (no more BJ’s,  guys!), bringing prayer and religion back into state operations. PLUS, all the anti-abortion shit. Then, the public may wake up.

    As for the Dems, what’s really important? Well, uh, apparently pronouns are very important. Taking back the state legislatures? Not so much.

    #43525

    SCOTUS is the most right leaning court since 1931.

    #43526

    _Robert_
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    SCOTUS is the most right leaning court since 1931.

    Several need to be impeached for lying under oath.

    #43527

    Unseen
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    Several need to be impeached for lying under oath.

    That would include probably all of Trump’s additions. I would throw in Justice Thomas due to his proximity, through his wife, to the insurrection.

    Still, it’s pie in the sky. because of the Dems. Two can be counted on to stand in the way, the ultra-conservative Joe Manchin and weirdly obstructionist Kyrsten Sinema. Don’t expect Joe Biden, the traditionalist, to be enthusiastic. And you’d need to convince some Republicans, too.

    So, don’t expect the idiot Dems to do anything. Not as long as some pronouns need to be dealt with.

    #43528

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    You’re acting as if administrative agencies are not subject to the same pressures of bribery and corruption as Congress.

    Also, how would you like it if some Alphabet Soup agency, unelected and unaccoutable to anyone with whims all it’s own, kept you from building a hostel for The Young Men’s Anti-Christian Association because that agency feared the hostel could threaten the habitat of the One-Eyed One-Horned Flying Purple People Eater? Or because the charter is discriminatory to non-Male Christians? Or just because of petitions from NIMBY neighbors to the agency?

    Giving any branch of government unchecked power is never a good thing, and especiwlly not for a hated minority such as Atheists.

    #43529

    jakelafort
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    Enco, are you similarly inclined towards unchecked power of mega corporations?

    #43534

    Unseen
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    You’re acting as if administrative agencies are not subject to the same pressures of bribery and corruption as Congress.

    At least in their case it would be illegal. Though the lobbying system, bribing legislators is perfectly legal.

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