Trump vs. Supreme Court vs. Democracy

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  • #52548

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    Trump had a very good day in the United States Supreme Court, and while the decision hasn’t been published yet, it’s pretty clear what it will be. The State of Colorado will lose and as a result the states will have no role in removing insurrectionists like Trump from their ballots.

    I listened to much of it and probably the most persuasive argument was that removing a candidate from the ballot could easily have the result of disenfranchising voters in other states that chose to keep the candiate on the ballot.

    They clearly are leaning toward taking it out of the states’ hands and giving Congress a role in deciding if the President could serve, implying the need for some sort of due process, and which could be anytime before or after the election and before or after the Inauguration. Imagine, if you will, what it would do to the country should Trump win and be removed by a Congress dominated by the other party. Ditto should Biden win. We’ll have to wait to see if the Court actually prescribes how such a procedure. Would it involve both houses of Congress or just one, for example? Simple or super majority? What a fucking mess!

    Believe it or not, even the liberal justices may end up siding with Trump in this case.

    #52549

    _Robert_
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    Could become irrelevant to his election bid if he is found guilty of inciting an insurrection in time, however billionaires seem to have their way with the justice system, so yeah…it’s probably a “good as dead” semi-democracy. Probably end up in a nuclear war with China, Yey!

    #52550

    jakelafort
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    His eligibility is such a non question. Why wouldn’t we fuck it up?

    #52551

    Unseen
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    @ Robert

    Of course, Trump doesn’t need to win in Federal lcourt. He just needs to delay any verdict until (he hopes) he’s back in office, where he can make all the Federal cases go away.

    He can’t so easily evade prison if he loses in Georgia, but that state’s state government is very GOP-tilted, so there’s really no guarantee of how much longer District Attorney Fani Willis will have her job. Unfortunately, there’s no longer much hope any trial would achieve a verdict until sometime next year. Even if convicted, the GOP in Georgia would likely find a way to spring him. “Wherever there’s a will there’s a way.”

    It’s essential to beat Trump at the polls, but his tribe is getting ready to interfere with the voting process in every way possible, legal, questionable, or illegal. Intimidation tactics outside polling places, challenges to voters they suspect will vote Democrat, injecting highly-partisan observers to oversee the vote counting,

    To make matters worse, some sorely-needed demographics are getting soft on Biden. Muslims, progressives, and blacks, in particular.

    I’m beginning to think it’s highly possible we’ll be suffering through four more years of Trump…at least four. Why would he want to leave?

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    #52554

    _Robert_
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    I already know my vote for sleepy joe won’t count in this republic. He will probably get more votes than Trump and still lose just like Hillary did 7 years ago.

    #52555

    Unseen
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    I already know my vote for sleepy joe won’t count in this republic. He will probably get more votes than Trump and still lose just like Hillary did 7 years ago.

    And then, the arrests and executions will begin.

    #52557

    Unseen
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    The Supreme Court’s Colorado decision is likely to hinge on 15 words

    Whether the presidency counts as an “office … under the United States” or “as an officer of the United States” determines whether the section’s twofold requirement applies to Trump. His lawyers have argued that the former might be the case but that the latter definitely is not, claiming that the drafters’ exclusion of the presidency and the vice presidency was purposeful and that the broader term doesn’t cover those offices. If Trump wasn’t an “officer of the United States,” then the oath he swore when he was inaugurated Jan. 20, 2017, doesn’t count toward invoking the 14th Amendment’s provisions. A district judge in Colorado agreed with that framing in November, allowing Trump to stay on the ballot, but the state’s Supreme Court reversed her decision, which set up Thursday’s historic hearing.

    #52558

    IMO, Joe Biden will have to drop out of the running now, even though he did very well in the New Hampshire Primary. But too many Democratic voters will be thinking that 85 is too old to be President, given his obvious condition now at 81. It would be unsettling to watch any further cognitive decline unfold on the world stage over the next few years. It would not be good for him or for America.

    The Democratic Convention is not until August so there is time to remedy this. Marianne Williamson has ‘reality checked’ herself out of the race and RFK Jr. lives in his own ‘bespoke reality’. So, who could step in as a viable candidate that would appeal to both the young and older generations? Who has political clout, some charisma and is educated and experienced enough to run? Someone that might even pull in the non-Maga Republicans who do don’t want Trump but want economic and political stability?  That person must exist?

    I will suggest Gretchen Whitmer as a good candidate with respect from both sides of the House. For VP, Pete Buttigieg or Amy Klobuchar. Any mix of this would get all the Democratic voters out. Plus, it would make for a more interesting race. America does not deserve 10 months of this current drama but it might deserve Trump if this current scenario is allowed to continue.

    #52560

    jakelafort
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    I will only vote if i can vote for Big Bad Beto OooooO’Reilly O’Rourke from county Cork.

    It is not just a little funny the quality of our leading candidates. Sliding ever closer to Idiocracy. Run Dusty Run.

    #52562

    Unseen
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    I think if we need proof that Biden needs to go, when he came out to defend his memory he confused Mexico with Egypt:

    A bit more evidence:

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    #52563

    Unseen
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    #52565

    Unseen
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    Remember when the Dems nominated for Preident the only person more widely disliked or distrusted than Trump himself and she lost? (She won in the vote that doesn’t count, the popular vote, but lost where it counts, the Electoral College.)

    The Democrats have become a gerontocracy that rewards whoever they think has earned it through party service and loyalty rather than elecctability.

    They areen’t even allowing primaries this time!

    I fear we are in for four more years (and possibly more) of an increasingly more unhinged Donald Trump.

    #52569

    jakelafort
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    Understandable gaffe.

    Biden wants to open the wall that Trump made Mexico pay for to enable humanitarian tacos as succor for the innocents.

    #52573

    Unseen
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    Wise words from a Republican strategist in support of President Biden.

    I still think the Dems would be better off with a younger more on top of his game candidate.

    #52620

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