What is the right wing at least in America?

[UnseenParticipant]

I did a little research and have collected some beliefs generally accepted as belonging to the right wing. Of course, different right wingers may not manifest every view to the same degree and may even deny some of them, but these generally are views held by the right, at least here in America.

Would you like to dispute any of them…or add any?

Believes in traditional Christian values.
Believes “the old way is the best way” and that change, generally, is bad.
Believes there’s something wrong with LGBTQ+ people—or worse, that they are pernicious.
Believes that life begins at conception.
Believes that the white race is either inherently superior or that the nonwhite races are not evolved well enough yet for comfortable mixing with white folks.
Believes immigration should be very limited and only offered to people, preferably Christian, wanting to adopt our language and ways.
Believes national government should be very limited, restricted to providing security from outside threats.
Believes that state/local government should be more powerful than Federal.
Believes that living under military rule would be better thsn living in chaos.
Believes business should be left alone, largely free of regulation.

 

[jakelafortParticipant]

Believes god and guns make America great.
Believes guns are an absolute right
Believes abortion is a sin
Believes speak English or GTFO
Believes free speech is absolute (in most instances)
Believes the USA should become a theocracy
Believes banning the right books has nothing to do with free speech and is totally Christian
Believes truth takes a back seat to power
Believes cancellation is anathema except in the traditional manifestations

[RichRaelianParticipant]

Hi! I don’t want to be apart of the left wing nor the right wing.

[DavisModerator]

This is an obscene over generalisation. America has, at the VERY minimum 100,000,000 people on the right side of the spectrum (likely a LOT more). Any vast group as part of a dichotomy, cannot possibly be divided into a group that can be remotely characterised in the way you have. It is foolish to even attempt to do so. You have painted a caricature of roughly half of the American population and pigeonholed an insanely diverse group of people into an impossibly tiny square.

Dividing the multitude into two groups and broadly characterising them is absurd. The value of left vs right is to create a vague spectrum that helps to organise where multi-party groups sit in a parliament and help them form coalitions. Anything beyond that, like saying: “the left does this” and “this is rightist rhetoric” or “lefties want this” is nauseating intellectual dumbery. Be better than grossly over-pidgeonholing people. The traits you have given, would most closely represent highly conservative evangelicals. And even within that subgroup, they would strongly diverge from that description.

[UnseenParticipant]

jakelafort wrote:

Believes god and guns make America great.
Believes guns are an absolute right
Believes abortion is a sin
Believes speak English or GTFO
Believes free speech is absolute (in most instances)
Believes the USA should become a theocracy
Believes banning the right books has nothing to do with free speech and is totally Christian
Believes truth takes a back seat to power
Believes cancellation is anathema except in the traditional manifestations

How does “truth takes a back seat to power” manifest itself? What do you mean by “traditional manifestations (of csncellation)”?

[UnseenParticipant]

Davis wrote:

Dividing the multitude into two groups and broadly characterising them is absurd. The value of left vs right is to create a vague spectrum that helps to organise where multi-party groups sit in a parliament and help them form coalitions. Anything beyond that, like saying: “the left does this” and “this is rightist rhetoric” or “lefties want this” is nauseating intellectual dumbery.

You are passing off your opinions as though they are fact. If this is a fact, it is provable. So…prove it. Otherwise, just admit that it’s your view and that’s all.

• This reply was modified 5 months, 2 weeks ago by  Unseen.

[_Robert_Participant]

Many of these generalizations would be true for many conservatives, no doubt. The party has changed a lot recently. Some of it is in response to the left’s cancel culture, safe spaces, gender fluid agenda, defund the police agenda, allowance of homeless to occupy public places, loss of religiosity, BLM, anthem kneeling, pro-immigration, Gay men shown kissing on mainstream TV commercials, etc.

The average conservative is older and is not in real great financial shape. Aged 55-64, the median net worth is $212,500, including home value which is more than half of that. Only a few have pensions and median social security is less than $2K a month. Retirement 0n a 100K portfolio is tough and they are pissed about it.

I think the US center shifted right since the Bob Dole days and the idiotic MAGA/Q crowd have gone into pro authoritarianism territory. However, the old school conservatives are still out there, heavily funded and they know they have the population demographics against them. Therefore, they are doing everything they can legally or quasi-legally do to tip elections. Using the MAGATs as their battering ram.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Unseen i thought i read far right wing. So i was thinking Christian evangelicals.

Truth takes a back seat to power means that ideologues will stop but nothing to attain power and that involves knowingly and intentionally perpetuating lies to further agenda a la Fox.

And by traditional manifestations of cancellation i mean that the obstacles imposed by reactionary, far right wing, Christian traditions to marginilized groups is tantamount to modern notions of cancellation but it is so pervasive and accepted that it is little regarded as such. 1 of a gazillion examples is in lets say access to leasing apartments in which undesirables are automatically rejected by landlords.

[jakelafortParticipant]

In addressing the good Davis’ point about generalizations i have an observation. While it is true that in large groups there are inevitably exceptions to the generalizations it is also true that the greater the degree of ideological extremism the greater the tendency to have broad generalization without exception. So for instance if we look at Nazis or Jewish fundamentalists we damn sure can make some pretty safe assumptions as to beliefs.

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