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    Davis
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    I wouldn’t say that gender imbalance “benefits men”, it simply makes things harder for women. I think a lot of men who live difficult lives don’t feel particularly in benefit of the system, it’s simply that they don’t have to climb up as much of a ladder as a lot of women do to reach the same destination. I think phrasing things correctly is important. It is not as though most men are given these free passes that make like easier. It’s simply that they don’t face the kind of invisible obstacles that a lot of women face. That’s what makes it so difficult for a lot of men to symapthise, because they don’t greatly benefit from inequality, they simply face less hurdles and they don’t even see or recognize the hurdles that women face. And of course that’s not a surprise:

    • These days office sexual harassment is not so brazen and happens when others don’t notice
    • People don’t so openly compare their salaries
    • It’s difficult to objectively assess who has been promoted and why
    • It’s easy not to notice that a person is not taking someone else in the room as seriously as they are taking you
    • Sexual harassment and assault is still an uncomfortable and taboo topic in many ways and not easily discussed
    • It’s easy for some to observe disparaging comments as a joke rather than as it appears to those receiving it: a frequent stream of demeaning assholtry
    • You aren’t there in the interview when the interviewee asks inappropriate questions
    • You aren’t the person at the bar where someone won’t stop hitting on you or leave you alone
    • You don’t receive the belittling comments that wear you down
    • You don’t notice the make-up that covers up bruises or don’t see the person who stays home “sick” while those bruises heal so they aren’t as visible anymore
    • You aren’t there while someone is being gasslighted
    • You don’t have to work twice as hard to get the same amount of approval.

    So yeah, again, I can understand why a lot of men react with bewilderment when told they “benefit” from patriarchy. A lot don’t. It’s simply difficult to observe or take seriously (or easy to just dismiss and explain away things like salary disparity) claims that women have more of an uphill battle, especially when its true that a few women are lucky enough to not face those battles and a few men actually do face similar hurdles. It’s not so cut and dry, but to say that in general one gender has a lot of catch up to do…is a very fair statement. And no…that doesn’t mean men are bad. We are all indirectly responsible for this inequality and we all help sustain it with indifference, not noticing it or helping to change it.

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    #32345
    _Robert_
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     Women like other kinds of men as well.

    Those men are called friends. Some women will eventually settle if they must.

    but as soon as there are power structures, males take advantage of them to repress females.

    Wait. but women are strong, right? Are saying that that is not true? Or are you saying that men are stronger and we need to favor women in power structures?

     

    #32346
    Unseen
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    Women like other kinds of men as well. Those men are called friends. Some women will eventually settle if they must.

    And men aren’t attracted to witty, ultra-intelligen, funny women unless they are sexy. Imagine a young and sexy Camille Paglia. Interesting to hang with, perhaps, but she’s hardly the profile of a woman men are attracted to sexually. unless (and because) all of that is overridden by her sexiness.

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    #32348

    And men aren’t attracted to witty, ultra-intelligent, funny women unless they are sexy.

    Maybe some men find witty, ultra-intelligent, funny women to be sexy.

    #32349
    • You don’t notice the make-up that covers up bruises or don’t see the person who stays home “sick” while those bruises heal so they aren’t as visible anymore.

    I did notice the bruising. We knew each other well enough so she let me intervene.  He begged her for a second chance. She (rightfully) did not give him one. She now lives in a different country and all is well in her world.

    #32350
    Unseen
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    And men aren’t attracted to witty, ultra-intelligent, funny women unless they are sexy. Maybe some men find witty, ultra-intelligent, funny women to be sexy.

    So, you’d like to have sex with Paglia? Or, let’s imagine a younger more attractive Camille Paglia-like woman who simply cannot stop talking at twice or three times the pace of most people? Dear me. I realize that “some men” could mean precious few.

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    #32353

    I find high intelligence to be a very attractive feature. Sharpness of wit I see as a product of intelligence. I am quite happy to be outside of the norm 🙂 And you are an atheist?? Now you have my full attention. Know what I mean girls 🙂

    #32371
    Davis
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    And men aren’t attracted to witty, ultra-intelligent, funny women unless they are sexy.

    This is the kind of nonsense that holds people back from finding a partner because they assume that because they or a few of their friends have a certain type (or worse express what they say is their type even when it doesn’t accurately represent what they are attracted to). It’s similar to the:

    • Women are attracted to assholes (that is such fucking bullshit I roll my eyes harder and harder every time I hear it, and it is expressed a LOT)
    • Men only care about tits and face
    • Women don’t need to be funny to be attractive
    • Men are only attracted to girls who put up a little resistance (the chase)
    • No one is attracted to you if you have any baggage (as though some magical human out there exists without baggage)
    • Men are repulsed by needy women
    • Men cannot make up their mind when committing
    • Women are only attracted to confident alphas

    All these generalizations are ridiculous and counter productive. Not a single male or female has the same mind as another male or female and who or what they are attracted to is extremely complex, evolves and changes over time (or even the day) and despite their best efforts researchers have had an extremely difficult time making generalizations about what men and women are attracted to in terms of personality. Even physically the tendency (the kind of woman or man one is attracted to) is super vague like: roundish for women and nice shoulders for men. Most of my straight male friends have charming witty girlfriends and my attractive straight female friends have an enormous variety of boyfriends ranging from lanky-akward-yet-kind to boring-tall-confident to petite-unattractive-charming. Very few people I know, in multiple countries go after the “standard” model of what is considered popularly attractive and what people talk about rarely matches what they actually happily end up with.

    Gender generalizations in this sense, are very counter-productive.

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