jakelafort

Age is not a reason to enact hate speech legislation. Sure there is some discrimination against elderly. Cases involving abuse of elderly in nursing homes is a thing. Civil rights legislation has i believe provisions for discrimination in employment as a result of age. But many cultures revere the elderly and none to my knowledge especially since…[Read more]

Encogitationer,

You’ve solved it!

Hermeneutics, exegesis; ledgerdomain, telekenesis

If the Jews were armed with that powerful knowledge during inquisitions, bubonic plague, pogroms, various persecutions and holocaust it would have gone swimmingly. The market place of ideas will be the antidote to the most virulent racism. The veracity of the…[Read more]

Unseen you have asked an old question that a number of authors have tackled including Twain. Off the top of my head the consensus is as follows. Christianity inculcated through endless repetition that their Christian hero, one Jesus Christ, was murdered by the Jews. I think this explanation is beyond question at least a factor in the long history…[Read more]

Encogitationer, that is all you got from what i wrote. It was intended to illustrate the importance of hate speech legislation. Mind viruses of hatred are as persistent as religious mind viruses and have recrudescence intermittently. Nobody is trying to insulate anyone from the history of horrors. I would be dead set against whitewashing history.…[Read more]

The longevity of mind viruses is astonishing.

For instance it was the Jews that were blamed for the horrifying plague that began in 1348. The most virulent hatred emanated from the ignorant and illiterate peasants. They had been fed for centuries how the Jews had killed Christ. They had believed those and other lies.

The authorities tried…[Read more]

Reg, that thar was good.. a chuckle turned into a laugh.

I am reminded of debates i had 30 years ago concerning the legalization of marijuana. The opposition was so faithfully married to their war on drugs that it was just a waste of time debating.

Encog. Do you hear yourself? Have you thought about what you have written.

It would be very funny if you tell us you have been fucking around this whole time doing a social science experiment or some shit.

Encogitationer, there is so much wrong with your most recent post directed to me that i am convinced you are not human. Instead you are Encogibot, a bot to cause brain rot. Wow, your understanding of law is a little awful. Perhaps it is because it comes from a tendentious source?

You left a big fat hunk of tasty cheese in your treatment of hate…[Read more]

Encogitationer your understanding of American law isn’t supercalifragilistic. But unless you ask me to critique it i won’t bother.

I am in favor of hate crimes provided they are well drafted. They send a positive message. I am more ardent about denying protection for hate speech.

Encogitationer, we’ve already established that speech is limited in many circumstances. In addition to circumstances cited by Davis there is sedition and treason. Are you okay with treasonous and seditious ideas? If not, why not? Is it okay for the government to protect/preserve itself at the expense of free speech? If it is okay then why can’t…[Read more]

Encogitationer, i aint buyin what you are selling. You are making a big deal about hate crimes. Hate crimes as you are arguing is a sort of red herring for right wingers to hang their ugly hats. Kristina gave a great explanation of hate crimes. To my knowledge those statutes are seldom utilized. When they are utilized it is for bad shit that…[Read more]

Unseen you are referring to prior restraint. And again i don’t want to refresh my recollection but i am pretty sure it has always been proscribed with limited exceptions. Yes that is a form of censorship but it is not how the first amendment is typically involved. Typically, the actor speaks. The government bans or limits the speech. Whatever the…[Read more]

Encogitationer, you are talkin pistachios and i am talkin rotten nuts.

You are greatly underselling the nature of hate speech and how it translates into more than hurt feelings. Think Nazi Germany and how incendiary the rhetoric and demonstrations against Jews. What if the government had prosecuted perpetrators of hate speech?

Think of any…[Read more]

Okay Unseen i think you are referring to prior restraint. And from what i recall it is either not permitted or only permitted in limited circumstances. Thus all cases of prior restraint are censorship. Not all cases of censorship are prior restraint.

I am not familiar with pornography laws so i cant say if the work product has to be approved…[Read more]

Plus 1 Davis. Is that how you do it?

In any event it is first and last time i participate in that custom.

Unseen, a few examples are as follows: laws against publishing pornography, laws against fraud

Davis, i agree with your assessment except in terms of the process. We don’t need a constitutional amendment to pass hate speech laws. Federal gov could do it perhaps as part of a new civil rights package. Individual states can pass those laws to protect their citizens and piss off the haters.

But yeah those matters you point out are a greater priority.

I wish USA would adopt similar hate speech laws.

It is a no-brainer. Just like legalization of pot is/was a no-brainer. Imagine the insult to the ugly American who is being denied his god given right to demean/dehumanize the vulnerable? Trample on his freedom to openly express his hatred? Hwaaat? How our culture will suffer if full expression of…[Read more]

Well said Kristina.

It also appears that law in Texas is pandering to the right wing. Hate crime laws are typically enacted to protect groups who have been the victims of discrimination, bigotry, racism, homophobia. And while cops are not the most loved group especially in the current crisis they are not exactly an oppressed group.