What's going on?! White People, Black People
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August 29, 2023 at 10:23 am #49951
PopeBeanieModeratorThis is blowing up on YouTube, and it kept me up at night. The rap’s too fast and I couldn’t get the words even when slowed to 50%. So I watched some reviews, and couldn’t learn what I needed to… so many reviews in the past few days, and I couldn’t find any that made sense to me. But I finally found the lyrics, see below. When I saw reaction videos with people getting goosebumps from watching White & Black video, I knew this was way above my head, and will take time.
Lyrics
https://youtu.be/NHG42X2AAUYIt didn’t help that I saw the following video, first, giving me scary impression, which may just be my misunderstanding. It’ll take me a while to comprehend what it’s about, too.
August 29, 2023 at 4:04 pm #49952—
ParticipantIt’s meh. Musically, I can see why people would be into the song. It’s high energy, it flows, it’s bound to get people amped up, parts of it are easy to sing along to.
In terms of commentary on race, it’s largely sophomoric. They want to feel unapologetic for being white rednecks. There’s a bunch of insipid gangster shit (we got guns and we fight blah blah blah). Some stuff about being cancelled and not caring.
The third artist, Dax, recognizes race as an issue, but then dismisses woke people to a certain degree and talks about not making anger his identity. It’s a little odd because music he’s written in the past would have him lumped into the same stereotype of ‘angry wokeist’. There are some bromides about getting along.
All in all, the messages in the song aren’t all good or all bad, but if there’s a great deal of depth behind the message, it’s not going to come out a whole lot since it uses so much recycled, emotion-driven imagery. While I don’t have an issue with that per se, the cynic in me wonders if the major reason this song exists is to create lyrics that sound more controversial than they are with statements that range from mildly offensive to generically agreeable in order to make some headlines and ultimately make some cash. Adam Calhoun is definitely willing to cash in on outrage culture. Dax is willing to latch onto something if it will go viral.
Even at that, it’s a valid strategy when we’re talking about marketing. But I wish, collectively, we could outgrow this sort of thing. It’s a lot of talking around the conversation. It scratches the surface of emotions people are having, but then goes just about nowhere with it.
August 29, 2023 at 4:29 pm #49953
DavisParticipantOutrage culture is a very real thing. “Cancel culture” is not. People paying a price for things they say is nothing new, it has happened always and will always happen. It is not “cultural”, it is a natural part of human interaction. People paying a notable public price for things they said used to be mostly conservative reactions to people not towing a nationalist line or a narrative that supported the status quo. Recently, people are paying a price for saying stupid shit, more than just for things that disturb the establishment or way things have always been, but for also assaulting the dignity of others for something they cannot help or making vulnerable people’s lives more dangerous. Cancelling is not just woke, but everywhere (ahem…recent multiple beer companies sponsoring inclusion). You engage in cancelling all the time yourself, at various social levels, and tacitly agree with it at work, in organisations you are a part of, in your family and with friends/partners.
I simply do not see the point in trying to control this. People have every right to boycott, disassociate, not engage with or lose favour with something they do be it an actual crime, something that betrays their trust, assaults their dignity, disagrees with their core values, as long as it does not break laws (like discriminate, libel or break contracts). It may be unfair in some cases, it may be unjust in some moral systems, but it is hard to imagine how we could stop it without fundamentally encroaching on personal autonomy or basic rights.
Outrage culture is a whole other ball game, something that can easily be regulated, at least with large online companies that bring it into overdrive. While there is little you can do about tabloids and television, social media, artists, algorithms have turned it into such overdrive, that it is increasing radicalisation, sectarianism and I am sure strain on mental health systems and to a small extent policing and the courts. Simple, an non-overly intrusive regulation of the largest social media companies to not be consistently jamming content (we never asked to see) that gets us to react (and outrage) would be easy to do, at no meaningful cost to society (if not benefit) or our rights/dignity. It is one thing to ban content, it is another thing to regulate large social media companies from purposefully targeting individuals with content aimed at provoking reaction despite its pointless social cost. Why the government doesn’t regulate social media is beyond me (actually no it isn’t, it has little incentive to do so and will face a false “free speech” backlash driven by the companies themselves).
I agree with Autumn. This group seems to be cashing in on outrage culture. It’s lazy artistry. Will likely sell and set off a whole sub market of outrage commentary.
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August 29, 2023 at 4:44 pm #49955—
ParticipantPeople paying a notable public price for things they said used to be mostly conservative reactions to people not towing a nationalist line or a narrative that supported the status quo. Recently, people are paying a price for saying stupid shit, more than just for things that disturb the establishment or way things have always been, but for also assaulting the dignity of others for something they cannot help or making vulnerable people’s lives more dangerous.
In many cases people profit off of it as well. It’s an old schtick. “The PC police are trying to get me banned so buy my shit in protest.” It’s not unlike the way gun manufacturers benefit from mass shootings by playing up fears of incoming gun control legislation.
Most of the people who get effectively ‘cancelled’ aren’t particularly famous. When we’re talking about celebrities, it comes down to how the parent company or sponsors feel. People like Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson don’t get booted because they’re politically incorrect. They get booted when the shock jock antics make it too hard for sponsors to keep profiting off the attention they pull.
August 29, 2023 at 7:13 pm #49956
PopeBeanieModeratorI tortured myself going through a dozen or so reaction videos on American Flags, trying to see if anyone found satire or humor in it, like they see in Black & White. The thing about flags, with me, is that the last time everyone was waving them in huge numbers was in the rah rah, “never forget 911” stages of invading Iraq, eventually destroying the country. Nationalism at that time made sense, but it was years of mindless revenge that hit the wrong country and people, and cost the lives of more troops than 911 victims. Many of those (like myself) who were the first to point out this major error to anyone, were given the “you must hate America” response. Ever since, I could only see waving flags as a kind of dangerous epidemic of virtue signaling and nationalist hysteria.
There’s a line in the Flags video about “if you don’t want to make America great again…” or similar. It’s the MAGA mantra. Even if by some incredible misunderstanding people see it as an unintentional coincidence, that’s not how the MAGA tribe will take it. So many are saying “this will bring America together”, while at the same time so many of them are blaming American decline on other Americans. MAGA at the top, i.e. self-serving politicians want to engineer the biggest “cancel culture” of all.
Can anyone please correct me or bring objectivity to my point of view here? If not, I apologize for a worthless rant.
August 29, 2023 at 7:59 pm #49957—
ParticipantCan anyone please correct me or bring objectivity to my point of view here?
What objectivity can be had?
Calhoun has a video on his YouTube page called ‘Happy Pride Month’. It’s basically an ad for t-shirts. Objectively, there are few overt statements. The fact that one of his shirts depict an American flag and say ‘The Only Pride Flag” could just be about American pride. The straight pride shirt could just be about affirming heterosexuality. The fact that he released the video during June, typically referred to as Pride Month in America for 2SLGBTQ+ pride could be a coincidence. The man in the colourful shirt trying to act silly could just be a man acting silly.
None of that’s true, of course. If we looked at it objectively, we could probably eventually make a case for it not being true. But in this case subjectivity and cultural context are enough to say that it’s a cheap homophobic ploy to get money off of the perpetually offended. And in this case, the subjective reply is almost certainly the correct one.
But the problem is there is so much content out there speaking around the point it’s making that calling it out becomes like nailing Jello to a wall because the content creator can just keep evading by saying you’re reading into it the wrong way. Because there’s no way to take the message without reading into it based on your personal experiences.
At least in other songs where they are more overt such as “Your America” there are statements that can be addressed objectively. For instance “Y’all been filling up our classrooms with drag queens for kids. We think it’s not appropriate; you tell us that it is. The complexities of gender and children won’t ever mix when there’s school shootings by women whose pronouns are him/ his.” I could write a literal essay on how that is objectively nonsensical.
But in many other instances, what is there to be objective about? I am not saying it’s impossible, but it’s like trying to evaluate the quality of a painting by tasting it; it’s the wrong sense for the medium.
August 29, 2023 at 9:35 pm #49959
DavisParticipantIt all sort of makes sense Pope. The rest of the civilised world is extremely puzzled by the flag waving exceptionalism (along with other exceptional American things like gun lunacy, allowing the vulnerable to go fuck themselves, the uniform worshipping and bootlicking and the social regression (though that last one is not exceptional, its happening a little bit in some other countries and more than a little in Hungary and Poland). I imagine it would only make sense if I lived there, at least understand how people came to have such a point of view. I don’t know how well you can fight such narratives, but spread your own narrative, and focus on younger generations who hopefully already find the nonsense of those videos mostly outdated.
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August 30, 2023 at 12:13 am #49965
RichRaelianParticipantHi! What’s going on is to much reverse discrimination from African americans and Latino’s between the ages of 20 and 50 years old towards white people.
August 30, 2023 at 12:49 am #49966—
ParticipantThere is no such thing as “reverse discrimination”. There is discrimination.
August 30, 2023 at 1:47 am #49969
PopeBeanieModeratorI’m feeling a bit of reversed Fair and Balanced now. Apologies if I’ve posted this before. Plus, it’s from 30 years ago, if you can believe it! This is genuine “woke” history, right? Before the movement was culturally disappropriated, e.g. by “All Lives Matter”.
(IMO, even ignoring the lyrics, it’s a creatively musical masterpiece.)
August 30, 2023 at 2:21 am #49973
UnseenParticipantFound the lyrics. Got so far in and then needed to take a walk:
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[Verse 1: Tom MacDonald]
Hop in the truck, ten of my buddies are already drunk
We don’t go nowhere that doesn’t have liquor and cigarettes
Riding mechanical bulls in the club
We like to hunt, leave with a gun, come back tomorrow, we covered in blood
With a bucket of guts, we all tougher than fuck
And we popping the clutch, we ain’t stuck in the mud
I’m the white boy with the baseball bat, bunch of face tattoos and a NASCAR hat
In the backyard like a scrap yard, got a glass jar full of tobacco that’s blacker than asphalt
Rolling with hundreds of crackers who acting like animals, they cannot handle their alcohol
We the white boys from the back woods in the bad hoods
And the trailer park trash that pack guns
When I was younger they’d tell me to struggle and hustle
Like two hundred bikers and they were my brothers
We coming for blood and you running for cover, addicted to drugs, in the gutter
Been drunker than anyone leaving the club, we go dumber than thugs we got mullets and putters
And multiple gunners that coming in Hummers, you under the rubber, you’ll never recover
Chain smoking, my lungs hurt, my neck red, got sunburns
Bumping Eminem, we all know the words, bunch of white boys flipping hella birds
Hillbilly really don’t care if you like ’em, little bit of moonshine fire inside ’em
Kill ’em in a minute, don’t care who’s fighting, you don’t wanna trip on the kids of Vikings
Camo and mullets and cowboy hats out in public
Got ammo stashed at my cousins and cashing addicts in cupboards
They all dissin’, we don’t listen, can’t hear it no more
We gone fishin’, they gone missin’, I told y’all before[Chorus: Tom MacDonald]
I be on some white people shit
Hangin’ out the window of a truck
Yellin’ “I don’t give a fuck”
White people shit
Every time they see me pulling up
They be like “Oh my GodHe be on some white people shit”
[Verse 2: Adam Calhoun]
Jumpin’ out the plane, no parachute so I’ma get there sooner
I ain’t learned shit from school, always ditched, Ferris Bueller
Screw your little truck, my square body over there is cooler
Every white boy riding with me over there shooters
I’m the white boy with the Mossberg pump, sit shotgun when I pop the truck
They know I been a monster off the jump, I’m off my rocker, lots of guns
This ain’t soccer but watch him run, shoot him in the lung, need oxygen
Coughin’ blood like he often does, talk too much till his coffin shuts
I’m never gonna back up too much ammo, we got hammered, used to battle
Had my fights right on the gravel, back in the day we used to handle
Shit like men but now we’re canceled, look at us like stakes are canceled
Look at them like “pull your pants up”, dumbass kids ain’t got no answer
Looked up to dudes with tattoos and rap music
Bad moves and abuse in my past acting stupid
I use the bad news for the gas to keep movin’
I made it where I’m at, now you’d rather see me losin’
All my guys got tattoos on their face, they did their time, they got jammed
What the hell’s a blue check? They ain’t got no Instagram (Instagram)
Ask around, everyone knows
They might think that I care but I don’t[Chorus: Tom MacDonald & Adam Calhoun]
I be on some white people shit
Hangin’ out the window of a truck
Yellin’ “I don’t give a fuck”
White people shit
Every time they see me pullin’ up
They be like “Oh my God
He be on some white people shit”[Verse 3: Dax]
Yeah, segregated but I’m still in the mix
I’ve been fuckin’ with Tommy before he got canceled for speaking the truth about the world and exposing it for what it actually is
I see race as an issue, I’m runnin’ it back to the government to tell ’em
This is a democratic liberated conservative patriarchy dipped-in-action affirmative hit song
Bet they’d still cut me a check, state that I’m in is my mind
It’s way deeper than color, I ain’t think I’m blue versus red, I’m in control
Can say that I’m carrying more than you know, one in the chamber that’s ready to blow
Right at you pussies who claiming you woke, I’ma keep praying that you get exposed
I promise, I’m not abiding by rules that you set for me
I’m not that mad at the past, I mean it was only a couple of centuries
Well actually I’m pissed, but won’t let that be my identity
So on behalf of all blacks I forgive and don’t wanna be enemies
Just say you’re sorry and talk to me nice, this is comedic, if you get offended that’s a reflection of your own life and how you fail to live it right
So it’s not black verse white, it’s wrong verse right ’cause
Color is just a result of these multiple factors that we didn’t choose, I mean
Mom, dad, race, religion, things we’re born into
Generational curses that get undone once we undo, move
See life from a different view beyond our own skew
Manipulated by the news, crude truth, things they used to confuse the masses
Put us in social classes separated by percentages paid for taxes
Income brackets, clothes, cars, shoes, size of asses
I bet they’ll try to blackmail me once I black out all these demographics
And push past the stereotypical average then get blackballed and they cut all my traffic[Chorus: Tom MacDonald, Dax & Both]
Oh my God, he be on some black people shit (Hahahahaha)
Hangin’ out the window of the truck
Screamin’ “I don’t give a fuck”
Black people shit
Every time they see me pullin’ up
They be like “Oh my God
He be on some white people shit”August 30, 2023 at 3:23 am #49977
TheEncogitationerParticipantPopeBeanie,
Just so you know, there are other videos, other Shuffles, other Playlists, other Jukebox Widgets for your social media page, and just whole other worlds outside of this. I have a hard enough time falling asleep from my health regimen and encounter enough live-action riff-raff at the store where I work without listening to crazy shit like this.
No law required for something like this, no commentary even required, just switch to something else. This is a good possibility for late-night resting of the mind and keeping the blood pressure down:
August 30, 2023 at 4:18 am #49978
jakelafortParticipantI think reverse discrimination is a valid concept. It is a reversal of the power dynamic. The oppressors are instead the oppressed. So instead of Blacks being victims of racism/bigotry in USA the Blacks discriminate against the Whites.
In a way there is greater justification for reverse racism than racism. For instance and i am thinking of a friend who is Armenian and lost a lot of family to the Turks. He has told me how his relatives hated, HATED, Turks. Makes sense. I am certain if they had an opp. to discriminate against Turks they would have. It is not easy emotionally to accept or compartmentalize. I had to get over my bigotry against Germans. I did. But it is not easy. I also lost a lot of relatives and experienced antisemitism from Germans.
I have another friend who is disabled and gets healthcare from a clinic on a reservation. She feels she has been discriminated against by native Americans who resent her utilizing their clinic. And i get the enmity from both sides. Makes sense. But i feel the native Americans have a more justifiable hatred.
We are humans. Fallible. Emotional. Given to patterns of thought that are ingrained and not easily discarded. We all see color, ethnicity. We judge. We react. It is what we do. Is it stupid to prejudge someone after ya’ve put em in a box, in a category? Of course it is. But we are fuck-ups. Even now look at the Ukraine/Russia war. We take sides. We demonize. And truth be told under different circumstances the murderers on each side would be shooting the breeze over a vodka. Are the Ukrainian people better than the Russians? Really?
August 31, 2023 at 4:14 am #49996
PopeBeanieModeratorJust so you know, there are other videos, other Shuffles, other Playlists, other Jukebox Widgets for your social media page, and just whole other worlds outside of this. […]
[…] This is a good possibility for late-night resting of the mind and keeping the blood pressure down:
OK I hear ya.
Now I see you and I raise you… the following warms my heart. Pau (a drummer) is imitating Dany (a guitarist and lead singer), which Dany thinks is hilarious. Then (I think) Pau imitates Ale (the bassist), which Dany loves, too.August 31, 2023 at 5:31 am #49997
PopeBeanieModeratorI mean come on, Enco, let’s snap out of it!
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