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    jakelafort
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    You are right, Simon. And even those among us who are keenly aware that free will is at best conditioned are sort of forced to live like it is a thing.

    #34834

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    The Devil’s Advocate sez:  1

    There’s a tie-in between the cosmological argument and the ontological argument. You see, without the creative power of God, the universe could not have begun. Hence, God is a necessary being because the cosmos is real and existent (even if existence isn’t a predicate) and thus the cosmos had a cause, which is God.

    #34835

    jakelafort
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    Not sure about that but i am about this-without credulous theists the cosmological/ontological arguments would have been swept up and dispatched by the tirelessly inefficient marketplace of idea.

    #34838

    PopeBeanie
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    And this is all before we jump from a logical argument that a god must exist and try to some how marry it to the idea that this god is a particular god as described in, let’s say, the Old Testament.

    Yes, and if I can add my strange two cents to this (in case @simon hasn’t incorporated something like it into his yellowgrain project), this humanly constructed notion of “perfection” helped push the idea that a superhuman can exist, and yeah, isn’t it fun to describe what He might be like so that we might all try to be like Him.

    Fact is, humans, by nature, often strive for perfection, making God a proxy for it. I feel it’s important to realize such constructions of ours like this one, because it so easily becomes a dogma in any kind of idealism, each with its own inevitable history of corruption of logic just for the sake of upholding the perfection as somehow “real”. Capitalism comes to mind as being treated as if it’s just inherently perfect, and even the US Constitution.

    #34840

    PopeBeanie
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    It may in fact be illusory, but we experience it as free will.

    Oh, the irony, God invisibly forcing us to believe in free will. 🙂

    #34842

    TheEncogitationer
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    Kristina,

    you wrote:

    I had to look up ‘monkey bread’. Finally, a conversation on theology has produced some useful knowledge.

    Glad I could be of help.  Monkey Bread is wonderful, though I could only have 1 or 2 buns per sitting.  And if I’ve had too much cranberry sauce, you’d be more than welcome to my portion.

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