Big Brother Is Watching You…for "Bias Incidents"

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Fellow Unbelievers,

There are untold millions of outcomes that could come from this if the idea spreads, and not one of them any good.

New way to track hate in Minn. public safety bill
Dept. of Human Rights would be tasked with gather information on hate crimes and other bias-motivated incidents.
Author: John Croman
Published: 3:20 AM CDT April 27, 2023
Updated: 3:23 PM CDT April 27, 2023
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/politics/minn-lawmakers-want-to-track-racial-incidents/89-546d6382-1695-4ef2-8355-5e01887c2d99

Observe: The Minnesota Department of “Human Rights” not only wants to track and document actual crimes that may involve bias or hate, but also “bias-motivated incidents.”

So if an Atheist is galavanting about town with a T-Shirt that says: “Jesus Is Lard,” then gets caught on a cameraphone or urban surveillance cameras by a Christian who believes Matthew 12:30 “He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad,” then that could be reported as a “bias-motivated incident.”

And if the Atheist can be identified by facial recognition technology, that Atheist could have a personal computer record of engaging in “bias” or “hate.”. And if multiple cameraphones or surveillance cameras catch the Atheist, then that could easily become a personal dossier!

Or to use a more mundane example, someone who may have no opinion whatsoever on religion parks their vehicle or sits on a park bench near a mosque and eats a pork bratwurst or a pork sausage biscuit when a Muslim passes by and takes offense.

That person could also be cameraphoned or caught on surveillance camera and, combined with the Muslim’s report, could have a record of a “bias-motivated incident.”.

And if a crime is committed against the mosque or the Muslim at a later date, the pork-eater could be unjustly accused of a “hate crime” by law enforcement using the “anti-bias” database.

What if the operators of the “anti-bias” database don’t even go by particular acts, but assume that people who don’t tick the right boxes of Intersectional Oppressed groups are automatically guilty of something?

And let’s not forget about the wonders of Photoshop and derogatory information on credit records. Where do people falsely accused of “bias” or “hate” go to get their lives back?

Look, if you are not engaged in any act that threatens or violates the Life, Liberty, or Property of another, and if Government has no probable cause to think that you are, then Government has no God Damn business surveiling you, searching you, or keeping records on your whereabouts, activities, and thoughts, even if your whereabouts, activities, and thoughts are accompanied with “bias” or “hate.”

So, Minnesota Department of “Human Rights,” even before this creepy, gruesome gamete of an idea fertilizes, gestates, and slithers down the birth canal and makes its way to my Town, Get Off My Lawn! 🤬🇺🇲

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[AutumnParticipant]

That’s not what the article nor the legislation states. It just allows for the collection of data to see overall trends. The Department of Human Rights is likely a better avenue for this than the police.

[UnseenParticipant]

Autumn wrote:

That’s not what either the article nor the legislation states. It just allows for the collection of data to see overall trends. The Department of Human Rights is likely a better avenue for this than the police.

Once data exists, the rub is what would or could or will be done with it, isn’t it? Once it exists, it’s publicly-owned and there to be used by anyone in government or probably the public for that matter.

[AutumnParticipant]

Yes, the whole point is that it’s there to be used. That’s an issue because…?

[UnseenParticipant]

Autumn wrote:

Yes, the whole point is that it’s there to be used. That’s an issue because…?

Abuse. So there should be some urgency to gathering the data in the first place.

[jakelafortParticipant]

That is a positive step in Minnesota. However it is not enough to simply track hate crimes or racially motivated incidents and gather data. Do something about it!

Ya know i just watched a documentary on netflix about a guy who infiltrated the KKK in rural northern Florida. There were a number of corrections officers who were KKK. In prison one of em provoked a Black guy. They fought. The corrections offficer was losing that fight. His fellow Nazis beat the bejesus out of the inmate. Later they plotted to murder him after he was released from prison.

So the FBI guy who is incognito is driving the car and the KKKers have the whole thing including murder weapon set to go. And the poor intended victim is not even informed what is going down. The cops are all around the intended victim’s home so they take off without acting on plot.

Later the FBI stages the guy’s death. Mr. FBI KKK shows pics to the rat bastard confederates of the victim’s body sprawled out apparently having pissed himself. They’re ecstatic they’ve seen the monkey frightened and then murdered. And they had the plot recorded. They had in my estimation beyond reasonable doubt evidence of attempted murder. Now i am thinking back to law school…maybe it requires an actual attempt not just a plan that is thwarted in medias res by. hmmm. So what is my point?

My point is FUCK THE KKK. FUCK FREE SPEECH in this vein. Free speech is absolutely necessary to a decent society but it has to be understood in context and with limitations.

[AutumnParticipant]

jakelafort wrote:

That is a positive step in Minnesota. However it is not enough to simply track hate crimes or racially motivated incidents and gather data. Do something about it!

True, but data is potentially a useful tool in the same sense that diagnostic medicine isn’t a treatment for disease, but it is important in determining treatment. Realistically, law enforcement is not a great solution for addressing many issues marginalized communities face.

[jakelafortParticipant]

No argument, Autumn…

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Autumn,

That’s not what the article nor the legislation states. It just allows for the collection of data to see overall trends. The Department of Human Rights is likely a better avenue for this than the police.

There was a State Senator Harry Niska who asked a supporter of the bill Senator Samantha Wang whether a “bias incident” would include blaming the Government of Red China for the outbreak of COVID-19 or wearing a T-Shirt saying “I Love J.K. Rawling.” She answered “Yes” to the first question and mealy-mouthed on the second.

Expressing support for JK Rowling could land you in a bias registry, if Minnesota Dems get their way
April 27, 2023 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton | Print Article
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/04/27/minnesota-mulls-a-registry-for-biased-speech-offenders-that-would-make-a-ccp-official-proud-1353972/

And again, neither of these expressions are crimes.

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[RichRaelianParticipant]

Hi! I’am more concerned about others ease dropping on my conversations and invading my privacy through walls.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake,

Apples and hand grenades. The Minnasota bill is directed at communications which express no intention or threats of violence. The prison guards in your Netflix scenario (Government officials, by the way,) did express such intentions and threats.

Also, as a side-bar, probably half of KKK members are FBI trying to incite the other half into doing something criminal. And this is also most likely true of any political group where someone inside is yelling to kill someone or blow shit up. When you encounter agents provocateurs like that, back the Hell away, cut ties, and burn your membership card.

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[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Autumn,

Realistically, law enforcement is not a great solution for addressing many issues marginalized communities face.

So, what would you suggest?

The Leftist Social Justice crowd doesn’t trust law enforcement, even when Constitutionslly limited and brought to justice in cases of police brutality, nor do they trust private individuals to competently defend themselves with arms, even though over 800,000 to 2.5 millions successfully do so in the U.S. every year.

What I have read of “Transformative Justice” or “Restorative Justice” doesn’t sound like they live up to their names either.

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[AutumnParticipant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

There was a State Senator Harry Niska who asked a supporter of the bill Senator Samantha Wang whether a “bias incident” would include blaming the Government of Red China for the outbreak of COVID-19 or wearing a T-Shirt saying “I Love J.K. Rawling.” She answered “Yes” to the first question and mealy-mouthed on the second.

They record the incident. You seem to be of the impression that they are taking names of offenders, alleged or actual. That’s unlikely.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Autumn,

They record the incident. You seem to be of the impression that they are taking names of offenders, alleged or actual. That’s unlikely.

They have the means of street video surveillance in most cities, in some cities the power to seize private video.
They have the means of geotagging location and determining locations of residences or businesses. They have facial recognition technology, and, imperfectly synced to public records, can perfectly or imperfectly identify those who allegedly commit “bias incidents.”

If Government has the power to use, they will use it unless stopped.

If prejudice and hate are the concerns there are educational ways to address them without turning Government into a Totalitarian monster. Horror movie star Vincent Price did it in 1950:

The ADL did it in the 1980s with celebrity PSAs:

And there are no limits on common people today doing it now with the media of our age…if they are free to express themselves and aren’t silenced by surveillance.

[UnseenParticipant]

Why would the government need to know this information unless they feel empowered to engage in some sort of social engineering? “We don’t like our people the way they are. We need to mold them into our vision of ideal people. And to do so, we need an assessment of how bad they are now.”

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