Big Brother Is Watching You…for "Bias Incidents"

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    Autumn,

    They record the incident. You seem to be of the impression that they are taking names of offenders, alleged or actual. That’s unlikely.

    They have the means…

    But not the motive.

    #48076

    _Robert_
    Participant

    The gun people are always saying it’s not a gun problem, it’s a mental health issue. How many times did a shooter post hateful shit before massacring a mess of children or a Synagogue? So, if that’s the kind of stuff they are tracking, with the intent to check on someone’s mental health, well sorry, that’s where we are. Nothing crushes someone’s personal rights more than murder. Last time I checked, dead people don’t have free speech, the ability to bear arms, nor can they pursue life, liberty and happiness.

    #48077


    Participant

    I’m pretty sure it’s not that kind of list. From the sound of it, it’s about compiling data on target, type, locale, and frequency of bias motivated incidents rather than building person of interest or watch lists.

    #48078

    _Robert_
    Participant

    I’m pretty sure it’s not that kind of list. From the sound of it, it’s about compiling data on target, type, locale, and frequency of bias motivated incidents rather than building person of interest or watch lists.

    Then I would have to wonder about that effort as well. A specific goal should be the driver for government collection of non-criminal incident data on citizens.

    #48079


    Participant

    The legislation states:

    Directs the commissioner of human rights to solicit, receive, and compile reports from community organizations, schools, and individuals regarding incidents that members of the community believe are motivated by bias.

    I don’t know where this fixation on individuals or citizens comes in.

     

    #48080

    Simon Paynton
    Participant

    I’am more concerned about others ease dropping on my conversations and invading my privacy through walls.

    As a schizophrenic, I used to think people could hear me through walls and I could hear them.  But now I don’t.

    #48081

    _Robert_
    Participant

    The legislation states:

    Directs the commissioner of human rights to solicit, receive, and compile reports from community organizations, schools, and individuals regarding incidents that members of the community believe are motivated by bias.

    I don’t know where this fixation on individuals or citizens comes in.

    It’s based on “belief”. Not a good start. The law should spell out the intended purpose, limited use and security of the data. Let’s face it, all sinister governments share a trait of collecting data and categorization of citizens and/or regions as friends or foes.

    #48083

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Autumn,

    They record the incident. You seem to be of the impression that they are taking names of offenders, alleged or actual. That’s unlikely.

    “Bias incidents” are the products of human agents. It would be absurd to think they wouldn’t compile information on the individuals involved.

    #48084

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Autumn,

    But not the motive.

    Ackshuyally, there would be a motive. That motive goes back to good ol’ J. Edgar “Long, Cool Woman In A Black Dress” Hoover.

    J. Edgar Hoover was the O.G. Drag Queen Story Teller, only his stories were unfit for adults, children, animals, birdies, fish, and other living things, for those stories were information on the intimate lives of everyone around him, from politicians to celebrities to common citizens, many of whom committed no crime.

    Hoover also used infiltration, warrantless searches, wiretapping, burglaries, and other low-down and illegal techniques to obtain his information on their political and religious views, diet, travel, associates, and sexual habits. The Constitution and The Bill of Rights were of no concern to him, nor was his hypocrisy a barrier to him scrutinizing other people’s sexuality while being a closeted Gay Transvestite.

    The man served in U.S. Federal law enforcement for 10 Presidential Administrations, 8 as the top law enforcer in the United States, because people were too scared to hear his stories on them come out and they did anything to appease Hoover and keep him quiet. Hoover “had it all” on everybody:

    J. Edgar Hoover–Wikipedia
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover

    Knowledge is power and knowledge of people can be power over them.

    It wasn’t right when Hoover used knowledge of Citizens’ private lives to tyrannize them in his day, nor would it be right for a so-called Department of “Human Rights” to do the same now, no matter what the high-sounding motive. Don’t give them that chance.

    #48085

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Robert,

    The gun people are always saying it’s not a gun problem, it’s a mental health issue. How many times did a shooter post hateful shit before massacring a mess of children or a Synagogue? So, if that’s the kind of stuff they are tracking, with the intent to check on someone’s mental health, well sorry, that’s where we are. Nothing crushes someone’s personal rights more than murder. Last time I checked, dead people don’t have free speech, the ability to bear arms, nor can they pursue life, liberty and happiness.

    If someone makes a specific, credible, imminent threat to violate someone’s Life, Liberty, Property, and Pursuit of Happiness, then, yes, law enforcement can and should act to stop the perpetrators. If someone says anything less than that, like merely expressing a dislike, then this gets into the realm of The Bureau of PreCrime.

    All the elements of a crime have to be in place to say that a crime is present and in a rational and free society, that requires evidence-based justice.

    #48086


    Participant

    Autumn,

    But not the motive.

    Ackshuyally, there would be a motive. That motive goes back…

    By that extent, you have motive to kill the next person you meet so that you can steal their stuff. Perhaps we should create an alarmist thread about your murdering ways?

    “Bias incidents” are the products of human agents. It would be absurd to think they wouldn’t compile information on the individuals involved.

    It’s not absurd if the goal is to create a better understanding of bias incidents across various communities within the jurisdiction. This isn’t that fucking complicated.

    #48087


    Participant

    The law should spell out the intended purpose, limited use and security of the data.

    There isn’t a program yet. The bill directs the Department of Human Rights to create the program. This legislation is in response to community calls for action to address underreporting of bias incidents for various reasons.

    Let’s face it, all sinister governments share a trait of collecting data and categorization of citizens and/or regions as friends or foes.

    All governments collect data, but this ‘categorization of citizens and/or regions as friends or foes’ is not really applicable here. There is no evidence such a thing is happening in this case. Knowing that X no. of acts of antisemitic vandalism happened in Y neighbourhood doesn’t do that. To the knowledge of anyone here, this bill calls for nothing more. There isn’t an indication it calls for more.

    #48089

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Autumn,

    Knowing that X no. of acts of antisemitic vandalism happened in Y neighbourhood doesn’t do that. To the knowledge of anyone here, this bill calls for nothing more. There isn’t an indication it calls for more.

    Any good police blotter and/or crime map documents acts of vandalism, without such a database.

    And the supporter Ms. Wang never denied the accusations made about the bill. If protected free speech is a “bias incident,” it will have to give some pin-pointable data that it came from a person who could be identified by place.

    By that extent, you have motive to kill the next person you meet so that you can steal their stuff. Perhaps we should create an alarmist thread about your murdering ways?

    The fact that you would make such an out-of-the-ass accusation is all the more reason why such a database should not exist.

    It’s not absurd if the goal is to create a better understanding of bias incidents across various communities within the jurisdiction. This isn’t that fucking complicated.

    “If” is the biggest word of the English language and others curious enough could make such a study without Government databases.

    “Murderous ways.” 🙄

    #48090


    Participant

    Autumn,

    Knowing that X no. of acts of antisemitic vandalism happened in Y neighbourhood doesn’t do that. To the knowledge of anyone here, this bill calls for nothing more. There isn’t an indication it calls for more.

    The whole point of this legislation is to capture the incidents that are not being reported to the police or that the police fail to identify.

    By that extent, you have motive to kill the next person you meet so that you can steal their stuff. Perhaps we should create an alarmist thread about your murdering ways?

    The fact that you would make such an out-of-the-ass accusation…

    It’s like you get halfway to the point and then just detour straight off a cliff.

    #48114

    TheEncogitationer
    Participant

    Fellow Unbelievers,

    Having pointed out the folly and danger of using Big Brother surveillance to combat bias, prejudice, and hate, here below are some thoughts on what will combat these wrongs. They are some of the wisest words I have heard yet on the subject in these past three years of “Interesting Times”:

    The Trouble With Race and Its Many Shades of Deceit
    How education programs intended to foster diversity, equality and inclusion do harm, and why it’s time for a radical shift
    by Subrena E. Smith and David Livingstone Smith
    https://newlinesmag.com/argument/the-trouble-with-race-and-its-many-shades-of-deceit/

    And excellent words on the subject from a known Fellow Unbeliever:

    ‘You have ghettofied the interaction’: Neil deGrasse Tyson shares why he doesn’t want to be called a ‘Black scientist’

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Addendum of word and removing unneeded headline
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