Free Will Redux: A Question

[Belle RoseParticipant]

@unseen

Unlike a dog, who will come when called,

ROLMFAO!!! That was funny 😄

You have obviously never owned a dog LOL!

[Belle RoseParticipant]

My dog DEFINITELY has free will LOL 😂 😂 😂

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

@unseen:

Davis wrote:

Let’s reread Freedom Evolves over the holidays or say, some time in the next three months.

You have to admit, that’s a reasonable response.  It took me three years to understand A Natural History of Morality by Michael Tomasello, and now I can rattle off any part of it (the theory).  Maybe this is because the book makes sense.  It’s probably a good test of a theory if someone can do that.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

Our “masters” think they have free will. Don’t tell them they don’t until after dinner. Are we all agreed?

[DavisModerator]

If you understand something, you should be able to explain it to a person with average intelligence.

I am not going to have an exchange explaining dozens of concepts over 50 posts. Do your own bloody homework. Stop being so god damn intellectually lazy and pick up a fucking book and read. You cannot hide behind that misapplied quote as an excuse to expect other people to feed you information you are perfectly capable of reading. Being able to explain something simply is not the same thing as having the patience to explain tons of shit at length. If you are physically incapable of reading a book I will personally record it on an mp3 file for you.

[DavisModerator]

By the way that quote is also dubiously attributed to Einstein. It seems nobody can source that quote and the best one can do is a quote a friend of his made after his death which was worded quite differently. Feynman said something rather similar but at the same time he also said:

“If I could explain it to the average person, I wouldn’t have been worth the Nobel Prize.”

So perhaps Unseen, since you quote the shit out of Einstein saying this (which is ridiculous since nobody could explain the advanced concepts of relativity simply), could you please cite the original speech where Einstein said this?

 

• This reply was modified 4 years, 7 months ago by  Davis.

[DavisModerator]

Haahahaha. That is such a brilliant image Reg!

[DavisModerator]

Then Ivy, perhaps your definition of free will is a little over broad or at least insufficient to properly differentiate free will from say: a fish going one way instead of going another way?

[DavisModerator]

Cats are the strongest argument for free will.

Their sheer obstinacy and ability to enslave their human “owners” clearly shows cats have pure absolute free will.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Davis wrote:

explaining dozens of concepts over 50 posts

Ah, but surely it’s possible to summarise things to some degree.

[DavisModerator]

Simon, Reg has already referenced a think atheist post where Simon (the other Simon) did his best to summarise it. You’ll have to put in the work if you are otherwise interested. I will lend you the ebook if you want to read it.

• This reply was modified 4 years, 7 months ago by  Davis.

[UnseenParticipant]

Davis wrote:

intellectually lazy

The expected ad hominem. I suggest you simply stop reading my posts as you threatened to do. You do things your way, though all the evidence is that your way has left you without reaching a conclusion. If you have one, you certainly are good at keeping it to yourself.

I would have no fear of sitting down with any other philosopher and discussing free will intelligently.

[UnseenParticipant]

Ivy wrote:

@unseen

Unlike a dog, who will come when called,

ROLMFAO!!! That was funny 😄 You have obviously never owned a dog LOL!

I have had a couple dogs. I was being tongue in cheek. However, cats will do this thing where they certainly appear to be weighing their options.

[Belle RoseParticipant]

@unseen I know LOL I was being tongue and cheek too 😉

[UnseenParticipant]

Surprise, surprise! Prof. Dennett thinks his views can be understood in a relatively short period of time:

Like all compatibilists, we asserts that do have free will as long as you don’t look behind the curtain where choices are actually made.

Beyond that, he all along the way assumes what he seems to be trying to prove, especially at the end where he talks prescriptively about how to handle objectionable behavior. He is a proponent of punishment.

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