Holy F*cking F*ck F*ck F*ck. We are screwed!!!

[UnseenParticipant]

An enraged, vindictive, and empowered Donald Trump running the country from a Georgia prison? Don’t laugh. it’s a distinct possibility. He would find some way to get out and go back into The White House, and then I’m pretty sure The American Experiment would be over.

Oh, but first he’d have to win the election and that can’t happen. Americans can’t possibly be that stupid.

Really? Trump would win handily if the election were held today, according to the ABC News/Washington Post poll:

Oh, but he’ll be removed from the ballots in so many states he couldn’t possibly win the election. Yeah, IF he is kept off the ballots. The conservative Supreme Court, which includes three justices installed by Trump will undoubtedly have the final say on that one.

Let’s suppose Trump is prevented from running. Stop and think about that for a moment: The guy who a majority prefer for President is removed from the ballot. Think they are obsessed with The Deep State now? You’ll have rioting in the streets.

How did we get here? A lot of the blame rests on the geriatric shoulders of the Democratic Party’s “deep state.” The party elders (literally, since most of them are in their 70’s and 80’s) who, like the saying goes about generals, “are always preparing for the last war.” They are ”old left” liberals out of touch with the person on the street.

They also run the party like it was a labor union, with a seniority system. “Who’s next in line after Hillary’s try?” “Joe Biden? Okay, Joe: It’s your time now.”

There was only one reason why Biden won in 2020: Donald J. Trump and his one term in office. What does it say that after four years of Biden—and even with his successes—that more people would rather endure four more years of Trump?

Rather than allowing for a normal election runup with Democrats being allowed to put themselves up for the party’s nomination, the party Powers That Be unilaterally decided that Biden should be allowed another bite at the apple.

That is turning into a disastrous decision. And even though there’s time for them to wake up from their slumbers and allow for other nominees to come forward, they probably won’t because I don’t think they recognize the danger. They’re too old and set in their ways (and remember, I’m almost 77).

[UnseenParticipant]

How  could Trump be doing so well? He’s actually accumulating minority vvoters:

My theory is that the Dems push things which either don’t interest or anger nonwhites.

Two examples:

Disadvantaged minorities who need help coming up to par with whites and would like to see grants, scholarships, programs, etc., see little or no Federal money going in that direction. And this while the Democrats are willing to give Ukraine—a country which should be neither here nor there to the average American—being given a blank check, basically.

Nonwhite voters have learned over the years to develop a degree of solidarity. “There but for fortune go you or I.” In the old days, they saw other groups as competitors fighting for a limited supply of benefits. They have smartened up in that regard. On the other hand, they don’t feel the same solidarity for sexual/gender minorities. Many minorities adhere to religions which take a dim view of gays , lesbians, and bisexuals, and feel revulsion toward trans and “queer” folk. They see the Democratic Party as being overly concerned with their issues.

Add on to this the FACT that the Democratic Party has gotten into the habit of taking the nonwhite vote for granted. They would like to send a message to the party.

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The thing is, Trump isn’t just doing well against Biden; he’s dominating DeSantis and every other Republican candidate. Even just a year ago, the gap wasn’t as wide as it is now with Trump having a more than 40 point lead.

Not that it’s entirely this simple, but if I had to guess, Trump does a better job than any other politician on the market of capitalizing on anger. Lots of people, not just in the US, are feeling the pressure of economic systems that are cracking. It makes them nervous and angry, and they don’t know how or where to direct it. Trump can pick up on all that for short term gains.

[UnseenParticipant]

@ Autumn

Trump is a master of looking like a populist and plugging into that anger and alienation you referred to. He showed up at the East Palestine disaster saying he was there in support of the community and the first responders, went to a McDonalds to mix with locals, etc. Where was Biden? Nowhere to be found.

Trump also has read the pulse of the public when it comes to immigration. The outrage over immigration has many facets. Sure, one is racism “We’ve already got enough drugs and taco stands.” Some is job insecurity of people fearing they may lose their job to people willing to work for much less and are more exploitable than actual Americans. Some is just a concern for maintaining a healthy boundary where we know who’s coming across. Trump says he will do mass deportations, including children of illegal immigrants and even, if he can find some way to management, naturalized American citizens from Latin America.

What the Dems sorely need—though they seem oblivious to it—is a candidate more electable than Biden.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

Time for Gavin Newsom to step up so.

[UnseenParticipant]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

Time for Gavin Newsom to step up so.

I think ex-astronaut Mark Kelly would be much more electable. He wouldn’t have to defend his term as Governor of California.

[PopeBeanieModerator]

Unseen wrote:

They see the Democratic Party as being overly concerned with their issues.

I think you mentioned a few of the reasons why the pro-Trump minions have activated and aggressively spread. He encourages aggressively “taking over”, and “taking back” their country. The electoral college makes this easier, just look at the wide swaths of red states on a map, winning over the more densely populated blue states. While red states increasingly enact voting redistricting and other ballot box laws that perpetuate incumbents in their legislative branch. It’s been kindof heading into a righteous, religious direction like Sharia Law, in spite of our constitution. Not to mention shamelessly packing SCOTUS politically to the right.

There’s an authoritarian movement on foot, energized by Bannon-Trump, et al, pandering to discontents and malcontents, amplified by social media that profits from virilizing political and other divisiveness. There’s a new Right-Left, angry predator vs softer prey mentality, especially in politics and partisan media. (I won’t go into how this actually started over a dozen or so years ago.)

That’s my “bigger picture” take on it. Using a simplistic metaphor, it’s a “perfect storm”, with a number of causes, but mostly driven by self-serving politicians learning how to abuse the system and pander to anger. Maybe the minions will eventually understand they’ve gotten burned too, by those self-serving, pandering dicks they voted into office.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Fellow Unbelievers,

What else can anyone expect when our so-called “betters” in Congress can’t be expected to dress in greater dignity than a bunch of tweakers in a convenience store, while, of course, still upholding a dress code for Congressional Aides and Interns.

I’m a working man with the budget to match and I can rock a Navy pee coat better than John Fetterman.

It might also help if people who reach the drool-dripping stage gracefully bow out of handling heavy machinery. That goes for Biden, McConnell, Feinstein, and Lugosi–er–Pelosi, but it also goes for people of any age. (I’m looking at you, Squad.)

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[—Participant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Fellow Unbelievers, What else can anyone expect when our so-called “betters” in Congress can’t be expected to dress in greater dignity than a bunch of tweakers in a convenience store….

It depends on one’s view of humanity. Some might consider it odd that if someone doesn’t like the rain that they’d vote for the hurricane to get out of it. I can understand why many are apathetic, disenchanted with, or disapproving of Biden and the contemporary Democratic party, but you’d think spoiling the ballot, abstaining, or voting for a third party to send a message would be more gratifying than shooting yourself in the foot directly. Obviously people swaying Trumpward don’t see it that way, but that in itself is odd. While the case for conservatism can be made, the same doesn’t extend to Trump.

I can rock a Navy pee coat better than John Fetterman.

An unfortunate typo, unless perhaps the Navy has gone the way of astronaut spacesuits. Then again, it is a poop deck, so why not a pee coat?

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Autumn wrote:

Some might consider it odd that if someone doesn’t like the rain that they’d vote for the hurricane to get out of it. I can understand why many are apathetic, disenchanted with, or disapproving of Biden and the contemporary Democratic party,

I think a big part of it is tribalism, one group versus another.  It appears to me that Republicans / Trumpians don’t have any policies beyond hating Democrats and bizarre straw-man versions of their policies.

While the case for conservatism can be made, the same doesn’t extend to Trump.

I’ve always believed that we need both sides at the table, to balance things out.  But Trumpism is pure corruption.

 

[—Participant]

Unseen wrote:

@ Autumn Trump is a master of looking like a populist and plugging into that anger and alienation you referred to.

He certainly gives people license to feel it.

Trump also has read the pulse of the public when it comes to immigration. The outrage over immigration has many facets.

A lot of the outrage toward minority groups is manufactured through astroturfing campaigns. It’s not that he has his hand on the pulse so much as backers know which groups they can target without too much backlash. It’s a precarious game because you need to make sure you end up with net games, but illegal immigrants, trans people, and drag queens were fairly safe bets because most of the voting public doesn’t identify closely with those populations and doesn’t give a shit about their alienation. If you lie about those groups, people won’t check the lie because between having a convenient target for misdirected anger and having the truth, the former is more viscerally appealing.

[—Participant]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Autumn wrote:

Some might consider it odd that if someone doesn’t like the rain that they’d vote for the hurricane to get out of it. I can understand why many are apathetic, disenchanted with, or disapproving of Biden and the contemporary Democratic party,

I think a big part of it is tribalism, one group versus another. It appears to me that Republicans / Trumpians don’t have any policies beyond hating Democrats and bizarre straw-man versions of their policies.

In general, I agree it’s an issue. But in this case I think it’s an issue of why people flip.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Autumn wrote:

But in this case I think it’s an issue of why people flip.

Good point.  It’s like choosing to be either sane or insane.

[UnseenParticipant]

Simon Paynton wrote:

I think a big part of it is tribalism, one group versus another.  It appears to me that Republicans / Trumpians don’t have any policies beyond hating Democrats and bizarre straw-man versions of their policies.

They have a policy of being sure to benefit the rich to the detriment of the working class and poor. That’s been evident for quite some time now.

[RichRaelianParticipant]

Hi! I won’t pay attention to you if you swear every other word that comes out of your mouth.

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