I believe there's no rhinoceros in my coat closet

[Strega]

The last time I checked, having a delusion does not put one on the list of persons with mental disorders.  It puts one on the list of persons who have a delusion.

[Davis]

My honest answer is I DONT KNOW.

So it’s unreasonable of us to expect incredible evidence of a God…and our examples given are easily dismissed as unreasonable and cliché by you…without a detailed explanation…but you don’t know any examples of evidence we could give you that you wouldn’t dismiss as unreasonable and cliché. Uffffff. How can any of this be taken seriously? Zheesh.

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RE: So it’s unreasonable of us to expect incredible evidence of a God…and our examples given are easily dismissed as unreasonable and cliché by you…

Sigh. Your question was about what a nonbeliever would need. I can’t speak for a non believer so I don’t know. That’s why I asked the question. You keep changing things around like a chameleon.

[Davis]

You haven’t the slightest clue what I believe so don’t tell me I’m delusional.

How on Earth can we know. YOU WON’T TELL US WHAT YOU BELIEVE. But that’s not even relevant. Any supernatural incredible claim…is a delusion without evidence. The word “God” is already enough.

here It is!!!!! Dawkins God delusion bullshit. You get angry call me mentally ill. Go ahead I am anyway.

Another duck and dodge. You’ve misdirected the conversation by not answering my question at all..putting words in my mouth (no I don’t think you or most people with delusions are crazy…we all have delusions) and getting offended and pissed off by some accusation which was never made. Then you ignore the question again by comparing me to another atheist that you hold in contempt. And look at it here….my question I have posed three times now has not been answered:

Would you go on a pilgrimage to Mecca to honor one of the five pillars of Islam and find a good muslim husband Belle?

 

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@Strega:

RE: Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or psychiatric disease, although they are not tied to any particular disorder and have been found to occur in the context of many pathological states (both physical and mental). However, they are of particular diagnostic importance in psychotic disorders including schizophrenia, paraphrenia, manic episodes of bipolar disorder, and psychotic depression.

(source from wiki)

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@Davis:

RE: How on Earth can we know. YOU WON’T TELL US WHAT YOU BELIEVE

I don’t fucking know what I believe.

What question am I dodging????

[Davis]

Belle Rose wrote:

I don’t need to explain myself to you.

Then why should we take your claims seriously?

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@Davis

RE: Then why should we take your claims seriously?

Then don’t. Just don’t answer me. And I’ll direct my posts towards @Reg from now on.

[Dang Martin]

It’s like Sisyphus pushing a boulder up a hill. It’s just going nowhere fast.

While it is typically proper decor to criticize the belief, and not the believer, there are instances where criticism of the believer is in order. But I may also have criticism of the question itself.

What evidence would be reasonable or acceptable?

The hard truth is that there is no evidence. There’s no evidence of a supernatural world, of gods, angels, demons, devils, heaven, hell, of any of it. Anything that might be considered proof would probably need to be based on a scientific approach. However, science can only deal with the natural world, and not things that are superstitious, mythological, or simply not natural.

It’s 100% pure belief, powered by religious indoctrination and fear.

It’s 100% crap, because there is no proof that ANY of it is factual or real. When they produce proof, then that will change. But they cannot provide proof, because there is no proof in the natural world when it comes to supernatural claims.

100% total crap. Childish crap, believed by people who have been brainwashed and are afraid to open their eyes.

Everyone understands the concept of proof. Everyone. Anyone who says they do not is behaving like a petulant child. The things that a brainwashed Christian accepts as “proof” is not the same thing that a normal, mature, thinking adult would accept as proof.

Again, there is no proof of any of this, so this act of pushing a boulder up a hill is insanity.

That’s my criticism of the question. It cannot be answered.

As for Belle Rose, I must admit that I am rather embarrassed and ashamed of your behavior on the forums. The way you treat everyone is shameful. You evade, while accusing others of doing it. You do whatever it takes to protect your beliefs, while accusing OTHERS of the same behavior. It’s dishonest, and I really expect more of a grown adult.

I don’t care if you’re not talking to me or not. That will not save you from a criticism that I consider to be fair and constructive. If I were behaving in this manner, then I could expect someone to say the same.

This is not an attack. This is the truth.

If you don’t need to explain yourself, then you will have to accept the fact that you believe because you believe, and that’s the absolute best that you can offer anyone about it. You cannot prove it. You believe it. That’s it. And why should you have to explain your beliefs, anyway? We all know why you believe. It’s not like you’re a unique person. There are a handful of reasons why anyone would believe, and a handful of reasons why anyone would not believe.

In keeping with being constructive, you should do yourself a favor by NOT asserting that there is “proof,” when you cannot even define proof, you don’t have any proof, and you feel no need to explain yourself.

I’ve said it before, if you say that you believe it in your heart, and it’s something personal to you, and it gives you comfort, then I’ve got absolutely NOTHING to say about that, at all.

But if you declare that it’s absolutely true, that there is proof, and then you carry on about the definition of “proof,” and then close with the declaration that you do not have to explain yourself, then that’s where you are wrong. You’re carrying yourself like a child, and that seriously needs to stop. I can’t watch you embarrass yourself anymore, and I have to call it. Your behavior is unbecoming, and it really needs to change. I get nothing from this, you get nothing from this, and nobody else gets anything from it.

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RE:Would you go on a pilgrimage to Mecca to honor one of the five pillars of Islam and find a good muslim husband Belle?

It’s crossed my mind

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@Dang

As for Belle Rose, I must admit that I am rather embarrassed and ashamed of your behavior on the forums

I really don’t give a fuck anymore. My pent up rage is coming out and If you don’t like it get out of my way. This started long before you came on the forum and you have no idea what’s going through my head right now.

[Dang Martin]

Belle Rose wrote:

I really don’t give a fuck anymore. My pent up rage is coming out and If you don’t like it get out of my way. This started long before you came on the forum and you have no idea what’s going through my head right now.

I have a really good idea of what is going on. And do you kiss Baby Jesus with that mouth?

You have a belief, but you painted yourself into a corner by declaring that there is scientific proof that supports your belief. Of course, there is not, and so you’ve been in defense mode ever since. Everyone has been playing this game where they offer what might be evidence, and you refuse it. Deep down, you KNOW that there is no evidence that exists when it comes to claims of the supernatural.

So now you feel attacked. Even worse, your beliefs are under attack. Religious beliefs are very fragile things that require weekly support from a church. It seems that you’ve tried to find that support here, or maybe you’re trying to convince someone who might be perceived as being on the fence, or whatever your motive might be.

As of now, you’ve lost all control.

Your threats do not scare me. I forgive you for being a horrible person. It is not your fault that you were brainwashed as a child. This explanation does not serve as an excuse.

Your faith requires validation, and that will never happen. This scares you, and your lashing out is a manifestation of that fear. You’re afraid of not believing, and I can understand that fear, even though I’ve never held a religious belief myself. I’ve seen others close to me go through it, and they had a difficult time reconciling their child-like beliefs with adult realities.

I cannot excuse your behavior, but I will exercise some compassion. I do feel sorry for you. And like all of the other Christians who have leveled their anger, threats, and abusive behavior toward me, I forgive you.

How ironic that I am more like Jesus than you. I think that you may need to get some help, and that is not an insult. It’s serious. I’m getting mental health assistance right now. Do it. Get help.

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@Dang stop talking to me. You are wrong and you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. Just stop talking to me.

[Dang Martin]

Belle Rose wrote:

@Dang stop talking to me. You are wrong and you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. Just stop talking to me.

So long as I am being respectful and constructive, I may speak with whomever I wish.

Denial is a powerful thing. You are afraid to even consider the idea that I might be right. After all, you’ve invested your entire life into your beliefs. And what if you are wrong? How will you reconcile it all? How will your new self cope? What about the fear of death, and the other fears that keep you chained to your superstitious mythology?

It’s not too late to grow as a person. You can do it.

[Davis]

Belle Rose wrote:

It’s crossed my mind

What has stopped you?

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