I believe there's no rhinoceros in my coat closet

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I’m not avoiding anything. I’m saying I need to write a book to respond properly and I fucking DONT HAVE TIME RIGHT NOW SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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@Reg

RE: No it is not. I am trying to work out how high (or low) you set the bar when it comes to accepting or dismissing the proposition. People believe all sorts of things. If some of them believed there was a rhino in the closet would you accepts their words for it. Would you accept it from a friend who sounded convincing? If not, why not? What kind of evidence would you require to accept it was true?

A rhino in the closet is not an apples to apples comparison of God for one – so any evidence I would need for the rhino is not the same I would need for God. My standards for believing a rhino is in a closet is I would need to see it to believe it. But we can’t see God. So the comparison doesn’t really prove or disprove anything

[Dang Martin]

Belle Rose wrote:

@Dang Martin Im not going to respond to you at all anymore. I don’t want to engage with you. You know nothing about me or my history on this forum and you’re being really disrespectful.

Said the person who knows everything about me. Interesting.

[Dang Martin]

Belle Rose wrote:

I’m not avoiding anything. I’m saying I need to write a book to respond properly and I fucking DONT HAVE TIME RIGHT NOW SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!

And that’s another way to avoid answering.

fin

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

I am not trying to prove or disprove anything. I was not comparing it to your God. Again, I am asking you about where you set the bar. If you would not believe it without physically seeing it then would you accept hearing it without opening the closet door?

Did Moses and Jacob not see your Gods’ face?

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@Reg if we are talking about a rhino no I would not believe it with out seeing it. That is my standard for that scenario.

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@Dang

Said the person who knows everything about me. Interesting.

 

I never claimed to know anything about you. I told you that my post you took offense to was no personal and there was more history behind my response from prior to you even being on the site and I apologized to you for any offense. I have not made any other comments like it since. Stop patronizing me.

[PopeBeanie]

I have “default” beliefs. I’m thinking atm in particular about my default belief that everyone here is sincere, until proven otherwise. My bar is set high wrt what is “proof” against this default belief of mine that everyone here is sincere.

So the civil rule “attack the idea, not the person” is also near the top of my list of my default beliefs/rules. Call me a softy or Too Lefty, or even snowflaky, etc., but I pay extra attention to these rules when we–the majority–interact with a minority.

Who is majority vs who is minority varies depending on culture and its most dominant authority, as (often unfortunately) does who normally tolerates whom. I err towards toleration… as a rule.

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@Physeter and @Davis I don’t have time to explain why I don’t feel the responses you laid out from the old TA post answered the question. In a nutshell the arguments were all either too cliche, too incredulous, driven by selfish motives or too similar to Biblical examples to be sensical (IMHO). And while a lot of people wrote very eloquent posts, there were many who spent much of their posts writing a bunch of surrounding fluff that was more cumbersome than actually answering the question. I’m not going to give specific examples because Im not trying to hurt anybody’s feelings but that’s it in a nutshell. Call me a liar if you want but I know how much thought I gave it. I don’t need to explain myself to you.

[PopeBeanie]

oh, and speaking of apples and oranges, isn’t it about elephants in the room, not rhinos in the closet or orbiting teapots?

i mean geez y’all, is a rhino even a pachyderm? i honestly don’t know.

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@Reg I wouldn’t believe it without seeing it. I wouldn’t believe it by just hearing it..

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

If everyone in the room claimed it made the sound of a rhino you not believe them as you had never heard the sound of a rhino before. You could not be certain it was a rhino by sound alone. Is that a correct assumption by me?

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You know me too well 🙂

[Davis]

@Belle. Finally…my aswers are noT clichés. Some of them are things that the bible literally claimed happened. They represent characteristics of the God who we’ve read about from cover to cover. Some of the other examples i gave mirror claims that Christians almost everywhere throughout all of Christiandom claim have happened. Well…lets see these incredible things. If you think it’s all cliché….then your bible is one big cliché and if you think the experiences that many christians report is a cliché….then your God and your religion is one giant bucket of clichés. How can you take your God, bible and religion seriously if you think that so many central events and descriptions and miracles is all cliché? We want to experience the incredible miraculous undoubtable events that we have read about and listened to. How on Earth is that unreasonable?

Please don’t cop out and run away with a “I dont have time to go into it”. That is a disappointing duck and dodge. You’ve repeatedly said we haven’t answered the question. Tell us specifically what’s wrong with our examples.

And finally…what kind of specific evidence should be enough for us, to conclude there is/are supernatural being(s), it is a SINGULAR god and it is the GOD OF THE BIBLE. What should do it for us? Please be specific.

 

• This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Davis.
• This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Davis.

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@Davis the reason your examples from the Bible (or similar to it) just don’t cut it for me is because I KNOW you don’t believe in the Bible. So why even use that as an example if you don’t believe it? It doesn’t add anything to my knowledge of what you would accept because you already don’t accept it.

RE: Further more, tell us what kind of evidence should we as reasonable rational people expect before accepting God might exist.

If everything you “believe” has to be “objective” then tell me what kind of experiment would need to be done for you to accept it?

There are plenty of scientific studies that have been done that is part of what has satisfied ME

so what would satisfy YOU?

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