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    michael17
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    Can you explain the immortality idea further please? Are you already immortal? I mean when this life is over do you go straight to Heaven, with no noticeable time loss (even though Time has become redundant at that point). If that is the case you would technically be an immortal now. Could it be that after you die do you “wait” for X amount of time in your grave until your God, the Creator of the Universe(s) returns and has a Day of Judgement?

    -Very good questions, If I were born of God  then yes, I would have a immortal mind in Christ called the Christ mind. Then if I were to die my mind would go to Christ (Souls under the alter, whereas Christ is that alter. This foreshadow in the Old Testament when the horns of the alter are sanctified with blood then each ear of every priest.

    To be honest Catholics have me very confused. They say there will be a Day of Judgement when Jesus returns and then takes the faithful or “true Christians” to Heaven and I will take the stairs all the way down. No problem with that bit. However then they say some people they call saints are already in Heaven and that these saints intercede with God on their behalf. I am not sure why they need this facility as they can also pray directly to God and Jesus or Mary.

    They are partially right. All saints that died minds are with Christ. They shall bodily rise to meet the lord in the air at his return . whereas as we the groveling unborn masses must rise on Judgment day, a thousand years later after the millennium of peace on earth.

    Anyway what that means is that humans – i.e. the Popes – can somehow bypass the Day of Judgement and send certain folk directly to Heaven, thus making them immortal before all the other faithful. I can understand how this works and Catholics seem unable to explain it to me. I cannot find anything about this in the Bible. I do know the verse about not judging others is there but Catholics must break this and assume that the potential saint they never met is without sin.

    Unfortunately any saint the Pope has named is no better of than the Pope himself, unborn.

    I also ask them if the dead person being made a saint is corporeally reassembled if (say) they were burnt at the stake 600 years ago. I know Julia Sweeney once asked two Mormon if she would get her original nose back in Heaven or would she get to keep the new one she had invested money in and was happier with. How does the dead person get to Heaven when they are made a saint? I mean they can’t already be there, in Heaven, if their God has not returned for the Day of Judgement

    -True saint will thier spiritual minds joined to there spiritual bodies and meet the lord in the air. This corresponds rob” white robes were given them and they were told to rest for a season”

    . ‘Do you believe a God created the Universe that we exist in? Y/N.

    Do you believe you have the ability to hold conversations (via prayer) with this God? Y/N.

    Do you believe you will become an immortal like your God in the “next life”? Y/N.

    -Answer already

    What is the point of Jesus doing an encore if people are already in Heaven? I have a lot more to ask them but they usually are fast to anger with me at this point. Some will even use abusive language towards me but I always tell them I forgive them and that I am prepared to turn the other cheek which seems to confuse them even further. I would love to get to the bottom of this theological nightmare so that I could help them out. Any help would be appreciated. When I consider the idea of immortality for humans I always reject it. I am reminded of the Woody Allen quip that infinity is a very long time especially towards the end. What do you do all day? I think the Irish comedian Dave Allen understood them and the last joke at 12:09 explains Catholic Heaven.

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    #8275

    michael17
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    Whey, don’t type on the bus, let’s try again:

    -True saints with their spiritual minds joined to their spiritual bodies will meet the lord in the air. This corresponds to ” white robes were given them and they were told to rest for a season”

    #8276

    @michael – I am unable to make much sense out of what you are saying. Talking about minds joining God and spiritual bodies meeting in the air or being born of God or having a Christ mind is something I cannot visualize. I am unable to comprehend what you are talking about.

    From my point of view no gods exist from any religion. I would need to understand what you mean by “God” in the first place. Quoting from the Bible, especially Revelations, is of no use to me. I don’t see it as a revealed or “God breathed” book. I am not saying you are wrong Michael, I am just saying I find what you are saying to be unbelievable. I don’t believe it because I cannot believe it.

    I do not desire or wish for immortality. I have come to terms with my own mortality years ago. I live my life in the “knowledge” that I have only one life and when it is over – it’s all over for me. The party goes on without me, just as it did before my invite arrived (Or maybe I am just a lucky gate-crasher). I find nothing depressing about this. In fact I still have a great sense of the initial freedom I felt when I first “got it”. There are no gods and I am just a mere mortal. It is the only worldview I can now entertain. I am open to editing it pending the arrival of more knowledge but I suspect most changes I would make would be cosmetic and not as important as understanding that I am just another evolved and mortal member of the Homo sapiens species that exists on a speck of blue dust in a Universe that is unaware of me. Unless of course we are what gives the Universe its reason for its own finite existence but it’s too late to get all anthropic about it.

    I also try not to type on the bus. I am more concern about asking the driver where you taking us.

    #8278

    michael17
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    @michael – I am unable to make much sense out of what you are saying. Talking about minds joining God and spiritual bodies meeting in the air or being born of God or having a Christ mind is something I cannot visualize.

    -Having the spiritual mind clothed with a spiritual body appears II Corinthians 5:3.

    -The birth of a new spiritual mind is apart of the Christ body. The true meaning of drinking his blood and eating his flesh. We can only live forever being apart of his living temple. The true meaning of “ In my fathers house there are many rooms”

    I am unable to comprehend what you are talking about.

    -These things are spiritually decerned and almost impossible to understand given our frame.

    From my point of view no gods exist from any religion. I would need to understand what you mean by “God” in the first place. Quoting from the Bible, especially Revelations, is of no use to me. I don’t see it as a revealed or “God breathed” book. I am not saying you are wrong Michael, I am just saying I find what you are saying to be unbelievable. I don’t believe it because I cannot believe it. I do not desire or wish for immortality. I have come to terms with my own mortality years ago. I live my life in the “knowledge” that I have only one life and when it is over – it’s all over for me. The party goes on without me, just as it did before my invite arrived (Or maybe I am just a lucky gate-crasher). I find nothing depressing about this. In fact I still have a great sense of the initial freedom I felt when I first “got it”. There are no gods and I am just a mere mortal. It is the only worldview I can now entertain.

    -True also for Stephen Hawkins. so you are in great company. I just watched his ‘Grand Design’ on the science channel.

    I am open to editing it pending the arrival of more knowledge but I suspect most changes I would make would be cosmetic and not as important as understanding that I am just another evolved and mortal member of the Homo sapiens species that exists on a speck of blue dust in a Universe that is unaware of me. Unless of course we are what gives the Universe its reason for its own finite existence but it’s too late to get all anthropic about it. I also try not to type on the bus. I am more concern about asking the driver where you taking us.

    -Well just sit back on the bus while I drive you to where miracles are truly performed, I am not giving up after being 40 years in the wilderness 🙂

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    #8283

    An explanation of what “God” is would help but so would an explanation of what a “spiritual mind” is. I really have no idea what people mean when the talk of such things. It all sounds like theological jargon to me. What does “spiritually discerned” mean? Sounds like something those so called TV “ghost hunters” or “psychics” have. They think they have a gift, like those that pick up snakes, but they are just delusional.

    How are you at navigating the narrow streets after driving in the wilderness for so long?

    When we die our mind dies. It does not go anywhere. It is not a separate entity to the body.

    To reference The Doors once more…….

    When the Music’s over, turn out the lights. Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection, send my credentials to the house of detention.

    #8284

    michael17
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    An explanation of what “God” is would help but so would an explanation of what a “spiritual mind” is.

    -We are to be like Christ, who had a duel nature on earth: born of the flesh and born of God, except he was born of God in the womb. We can become born of God now. That birth is an immmortal one. But like Christ only your newly generated spirit or Christ mind is immortal. “ Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”

    But three days later he rose bodily from the grave. So his spirit or Christ mind was unclothed for three days.

    I really have no idea what people mean when the talk of such things. It all sounds like theological jargon to me. What does “spiritually discerned” mean?

    -It means you need a spiritual mind in addition to your fleshly one.

    Sounds like something those so called TV “ghost hunters” or “psychics” have. They think they have a gift, like those that pick up snakes, but they are just delusional. How are you at navigating the narrow streets after driving in the wilderness for so long?

    -Hopefully a spiritual mind will have a universal GPS.

    When we die our mind dies. It does not go anywhere. It is not a separate entity to the body.

    -Absolulely true so become born from above.

    To reference The Doors once more……. When the Music’s over, turn out the lights. Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection, send my credentials to the house of detention.

    -Martyr the Truth and impose the lie by the sword. Constantine reigns victorious with miracleless Churches in place guised as Christianity to give the way of that Truth a baffoonary of a lagacy for new generations to come.

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    #8287

    Michael you are not explaining what or whom you mean by “God”.

    We are atheists and don’t believe anything you are saying. We do not believe what you believe and we have no idea what you are talking about. It makes no sense to us.  It does not sound coherent. We only have a “fleshy” mind, which is our physical brain. We do not have a spiritual one or a soul. They are constructs of religions and you might as well talk of our wings as our spiritual minds. They just don’t exist, like the gods we don’t believe in.

    Are you a member of any Muslim or Hindu sites where you try to explain this to them so they know your truth? Do you spend time correcting the errors of Catholic or Mormon beliefs on their websites? They would at least have some idea of what you are talking about. They seem to understand what you mean by “God”.  We really don’t and you seem incapable of defining “Him”.  If you intend to try, then please do not quote the Bible. The Bible is the claim for your God and not the proof of anything.

    #8288

    @michael, Look at it like this. I am trying to understand what you are saying but it makes no sense. You seem to think that you God is real – i.e. not faith based and that we who have no faith should somehow comprehend the concept as you do. It is no more real to us than the god Viracocha is to you. If you can understand what I mean by that then you might know what I mean by us not understanding what you are talking about.

    If I started telling you Viracocha was the creator of the Universe and the bringer of light you would ask me what I was talking about and how I came to know this. If I told you that Viracocha performs miracles and my spirit mind will join with Viracocha for eternity you would not believe me. That is because you do not believe Viracocha is real and the degree of my faith in it being true would be of no benefit to your understanding of this god.

    Can you tell me why you don’t believe Viracocha is the Creator of the Universe? Do you even know why I mean by Viracocha?

    Pretend I am a Martian and have never heard of any gods and have no concept of your God. Telling me about being born from above would mean nothing to me. Don’t you get that?

    #8289

    michael17
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    Michael you are not explaining what or whom you mean by “God”.

    -God is he that can  raise the dead. God is he that  makes the blind  see. God is he that  heals the sick.  God is he in whom we exist. God is the wellspring  of  life. God is he who can  birth you immortal right now.

    In the near east since a god is known by his name. His name describes what he does. And to come in his name means his living presence has come with you with that power. So I do not come in the name of the Lord.

    We are atheists and don’t believe anything you are saying. We do not believe what you believe and we have no idea what you are talking about. It makes no sense to us. It does not sound coherent. We only have a “fleshy” mind, which is our physical brain. We do not have a spiritual one or a soul. They are constructs of religions and you might as well talk of our wings as our spiritual minds. They just don’t exist, like the gods we don’t believe in. Are you a member of any Muslim or Hindu sites where you try to explain this to them so they know your truth? Do you spend time correcting the errors of Catholic or Mormon beliefs on their websites? They would at least have some idea of what you are talking about. They seem to understand what you mean by “God”. We really don’t and you seem incapable of defining “Him”. If you intend to try, then please do not quote the Bible. The Bible is the claim for your God and not the proof of anything. And to be baptized in that name is to have presence and power forever.

    Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

    Michael you are not explaining what or whom you mean by “God”. We are atheists and don’t believe anything you are saying. We do not believe what you believe and we have no idea what you are talking about. It makes no sense to us. It does not sound coherent. We only have a “fleshy” mind, which is our physical brain. We do not have a spiritual one or a soul. They are constructs of religions and you might as well talk of our wings as our spiritual minds. They just don’t exist, like the gods we don’t believe in. Are you a member of any Muslim or Hindu sites where you try to explain this to them so they know your truth? Do you spend time correcting the errors of Catholic or Mormon beliefs on their websites? They would at least have some idea of what you are talking about. They seem to understand what you mean by “God”. We really don’t and you seem incapable of defining “Him”. If you intend to try, then please do not quote the Bible. The Bible is the claim for your God and not the proof of anything.

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    #8299

    Strega
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    @regthefronkeyfarmer I think he’s on the bus again 🙂

    #8301

    @michael,  If you told a Martian (that understood English!!)  “God is he that can raise the dead”, do you think he would believe you or know what you even mean. “Yes, he who cures the blind also created the universe and will make you immortal right now”. “Please Earthling, get off my planet and wipe the red sand from your boots on the way out”.

    I occasionally work in an Eye hospital and no ophthalmologist has ever mentioned a blind person being cured by a supernatural entity. Please (as Davis has asked) give an example of where and when this god of yours has raised the dead. How do you know these things  about “God”. And don’t say because the Bible says so. I think you are just pretending to know things that humans cannot possibly know.

    Viracocha was also known to have many of the same traits you are assigning to your God. What evidence have you to indicate you are correct? I mean you are just taking it all on faith and your subjective opinion, right? In other words it must exist only in your head and that is why you cannot offer me anything of substance. The luggage compartment on the bus is empty Michael.

    #8306

    michael17
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    @michael, If you told a Martian (that understood English!!) “God is he that can raise the dead”, do you think he would believe you or know what you even mean. “Yes, he who cures the blind also created the universe and will make you immortal right now”. “Please Earthling, get off my planet and wipe the red sand from your boots on the way out”. I occasionally work in an Eye hospital and no ophthalmologist has ever mentioned a blind person being cured by a supernatural entity. Please (as Davis has asked) give an example of where and when this god of yours has raised the dead. How do you know these things about “God”. And don’t say because the Bible says so. I think you are just pretending to know things that humans cannot possibly know.

    -Yes on faith I accept the testimony of the men of God.

    -Why this god?, because only the one true god can raise the dead

    -I believe the eyewitness testimony  of men of God. The prophet were not killed in Jerusalem  because they were lairs including Christ, but because what They said was truth and condemned sinful and currupt powers that be.

    Viracocha was also known to have many of the same traits you are assigning to your God. What evidence have you to indicate you are correct? I mean you are just taking it all on faith and your subjective opinion, right? In other words it must exist only in your head and that is why you cannot offer me anything of substance. The luggage compartment on the bus is empty Michael.

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    #8313

    -Why this god? Because only the one true god can raise the dead…

    Again Michael – how do you know this as you also just stated that –Yes on faith I accept the testimony of the men of God?

    You cannot claim as factual that your God is the only true god if you accept it all on faith.

    -I believe the eyewitness testimony of men of God. Yes, we know you believe some parts of the Bible.

    Again Michael – you only believe it because you accept it on faith and not because it is factual.

    How many times do we have to ask you to furnish us with examples of your God raising the dead? Give us locations, names, dates and times. If you are only going to quote the Bible then we will accept that you cannot. Offer us something of substance or get off the bus.

    #8315

    michael17
    Participant

    -Why this god? Because only the one true god can raise the dead… Again Michael – how do you know this as you also just stated that –Yes on faith I accept the testimony of the men of God? You cannot claim as factual that your God is the only true god if you accept it all on faith. -I believe the eyewitness testimony of men of God. Yes, we know you believe some parts of the Bible. Again Michael – you only believe it because you accept it on faith and not because it is factual. How many times do we have to ask you to furnish us with examples of your God raising the dead? Give us locations, names, dates and times. If you are only going to quote the Bible then we will accept that you cannot. Offer us something of substance or get off the bus.

    -I can tell you the future based on their words but it is high level. I will share the following not as proof but to show that I substantiate my faith with historical facts and not miracles since the.The  bUs has not arrived yet and I don’t have places and names.

    The houses of Oldenberg, Burbon and Nassau. The three remaining Houses of Europe shall be totally uprooted and replaced by the beast to come who will stand in the reconstructed Jewish Temple and proclaim hisself God.

    These Three Houses are the last remaining Houses of the Houses prophesied in the Book of  Revelations.

    At the writing of the book in 95 Ad seven heads of the Roman Empire prophesied. This became true:

    Western Roman Empire Edit
    Julio-Claudian Dynasty (27 BC – AD 68)
    Flavian Dynasty (69–96)
    Nervan-Antonian Dynasty (96–192)
    Severan Dynasty (193–235)
    Constantinian dynasty (303–363)
    Valentinian Dynasty (364–457)
    House of Theodosius from 379—476
    Romania.

    God’s Word is true.

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    How many times do we have to ask you to furnish us with examples of your God raising the dead? Give us locations, names, dates and times.

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