Is there evidence that new races of man appeared coinceding with biblical Adam?

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    michael17
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    If we entertain the premise that the age of the Mega-fuana and it’s races ended abruptly and today’s races started with the sons of the biblical Adam, what evidence is there to support such a postulate?

    • In 1999, Peter Brown of the Department of Anthropology and Paleoanthropology at the University of New England evaluated three sites with early East Asian modern human skeletal remains (Liujiang, Liuzhou, Guangxi, China; Shandingdong Man of (but not Peking Man) Zhoukoudian’s Upper Cave; and Minatogawa in Okinawa) dated to between 10,175 and 33,200 years ago, and finds lack of support for the conventional designation of skeletons from this period as “Proto-Mongoloid”. He stated that “The colonisation of the Americas by 11 kyr indicates an earlier date for the appearance of distinctively East Asian features, however, the earliest unequivocal evidence for anatomically East Asian people on the Asian mainland remains at 7000 years BP.” He saw this as “possibility that migration across the Bering Strait went in two directions and the first morphological Mongoloids evolved in the Americas.”
    • A report published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology in January 2015 looked again at craniofacial variation focusing on differences between early and late Native Americans and explanations for these based on either skull morphology or molecular genetics. Arguments based on molecular genetics have in the main, according to the authors, accepted a single migration from Asia with a probable pause in Berengia, plus later bi-directional gene flow. Studies focusing on craniofacial morphology have argued that Paleoamerican remains have “been described as much closer to African and Australo-Melanesians populations than to the modern series of Native Americans”, suggesting two entries into the Americas, an early one occurring before a distinctive East Asian morphology developed (referred to in the paper as the “Two Components Model”. A third model, the “Recurrent Gene Flow” [RGF] model, attempts to reconcile the two, arguing that circumarctic gene flow after the initial migration could account for morphological changes. Noting that the original report on the Hoyo Negro skeleton supported the RGF model, the authors disagreed with the conclusion suggesting that the skull shape did not match those of modern Native Americans, arguing that the “skull falls into a subregion of the morphospace occupied by both Paleoamericans and some modern Native Americans.”[4][5] (Paloindian faces and skulls tend to be bigger with justing robust jaws. Also the musculo-skeletal structure is comparatively more robust. Such features may be conducive to dealing with a megafuana)construction of 12,000 bce paloindian found in the Yucatan Penesula
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    #7976

    _Robert_
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    This paper gets 29th place out if 30 entries at the 9th grade science fair. Entry 30 was a no show.

    #7977

    Biblical Adam never existed. Today’s “Races” never had a starting date. Homo sapiens are evolved over time from earlier species.

    #7978

    _Robert_
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    The apologist approach to science plays well into all of the conspiracy theories and alternative facts that have swept the modern “Meme” based information society. Contributions to science requires years of disciplined study and hard work.

    #7979

    Simon Paynton
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    Wasn’t there such a thing as an Eve?  I’ve heard somewhere that all of humans are descended from 7 individuals, or something similar.  It’s a common idea that there was at least one population “bottleneck” somewhere in ancient Homo sapiens history, which is not at all surprising, considering how every other species of human has died out within the short 2 million year history of the Homo family tree.

    #7980

    michael17
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    “Biblical Adam never existed. Today’s “Races” never had a starting date. Homo sapiens are evolved over time from earlier species.”

    That is conventional wisdom. However, morphology and DNA evidence has started the debate. For instance the first unequivocal evident of mongoloid features is from 7000 BCE. Whereas the Chinese presumed they evolved from Peking man.

    #7981

    michael17
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    “Wasn’t there such a thing as an Eve?  I’ve heard somewhere that all of humans are descended from 7 individuals, or something similar.  It’s a common idea that there was at least one population “bottleneck” somewhere in ancient Homo sapiens history, which is not at all surprising, considering how every other species of human has died out within the short 2 million year history of the Homo family tree.”

    Yes the bottleneck has been well documented. The disappearance of the Clovis population in the Americas has been attributed to this bottleneck.

    #7982

    michael17
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    “The apologist approach to science plays well into all of the conspiracy theories and alternative facts that have swept the modern “Meme” based information society. Contributions to science requires years of disciplined study and hard work.”

    That statement is pontification, however we are just debating the facts. These days the dispute among scholars continue in regard to how the morphology in the Americas changed.

     

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    #7984

    Simon Paynton
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    however we are just debating the facts

    – I think that’s true.

    #7985

    Strega
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    I’m not sure what your point is, Michael. Are you saying there’s some evidence that humans were created by a super-being?  Or are you simply showing that we have a lot of new information available to help us piece together the emergence of today’s human?

    #7987

    _Robert_
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    “The apologist approach to science plays well into all of the conspiracy theories and alternative facts that have swept the modern “Meme” based information society. Contributions to science requires years of disciplined study and hard work.” That statement is pontification, however we are just debating the facts. These days the dispute among scholars continue in regard to how the morphology in the Americas changed.

    Yeah, but the divinely created “Adam” and his rib-wife Eve of the bible is NOT part of that debate.  This twisting and bending of facts and discoveries to try to support religious mythology makes we wonder if the apologist has a lack of faith. Ray “Banana Man” Comfort is the perfect example an apologetics based “scientist”.

    #7988

    Whereas the Chinese presumed they evolved from Peking man.

    Yes, they had presumed so. DNA has shown that this is not the case. The Chinese did not evolve from a different lineage. Studies of the fossils found in the Zhoukoudian caves led some anthropologists (Read “good party members) to suggest that Peking Man, aka East Asian Homo erectus, was the ancestor of the modern Chinese and that they were a separate “race” to the rest of us. However they are Homo sapiens, who evolved in and migrated from Africa. That like my pother statement is not “conventional wisdom” as you suggest. It has been scientifically proven.

    However, morphology and DNA evidence has started the debate.

    No it has not.  The debate is only among those reading their own biases into the evidence or who want to cling to the multi-regional hypothesis for specific motives, be they political, cultural or religious.

     

    The Eve mentioned by Simon is “Mitochondrial Eve“. Please read the”common misconceptions” paragraph.

    #7989

    Strega
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    Fascinating article about mitochondrial eve.  Basically there has to be an unbroken FEMALE line traced directly.  So if somewhere along the line a woman only has sons, even if they go on to have daughters, the chain is considered broken.

    However, mitochondrial eve must have had a mother!

    #7990

    _Robert_
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    Fascinating article about mitochondrial eve. Basically there has to be an unbroken FEMALE line traced directly. So if somewhere along the line a woman only has sons, even if they go on to have daughters, the chain is considered broken. However, mitochondrial eve must have had a mother!

    I would like to kick the scientist that coined that phrase in the arse.

    #7991

    Strega
    Moderator

    I know. It can be a tad confusing to the religious to discover the equivalent Adam lived in a completely different time period 🙂

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