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For a person who has a normal weight this wouldn’t apply necessarily. But for somebody like myself who already has insulin resistance, I can cut calories all day long. But it’s not gonna help me keep the weight off long-term and it’s not gonna change my base metabolic rate. The problem is that the insulin resistance has to be treated first.  The only way to do that is to fast and force all of the sugar out of my body. That’s step one. It has to be step one. Fasting does not mean starving. Fasting is just the opposite of meeting. Conventional wisdom at least here in the United States says that we have to be eating throughout the entire day. Six meals a day they say.  The problem with this is that there still ignoring the problem the problem is the insulin resistance so it never gets better. Now as easy as it is, if I fasted and get all of the sugar out of my body, then I am on my way back to normal. Then a lot of the recommendations that you said Reg would apply.  They have found that there are some people who have a genetic predisposition to needing to eat. I am one of them. I have a hard time resisting food if it’s put in front of me. That is found to be genetic. There are some people who could eat 1000 or 10,000 cal a day and still be a rail. I am not one of them. But one of the things  that they failed to do in modern medicine in treating this disease is address the insulin resistance.

It is a huge paradigm shift to say that one diabetes is reversible. Two, to say the calories don’t matter. Three, to say that we need to implement a fasting regiment into our lifestyle. But the truth is that we are a species that evolved fasting.  Back in the day we didn’t have a choice. People eat maybe one or two times a day. Not five or six. Even during World War II people started eating a lot of white bread. But we did not have the obesity crisis we do now. Why? Because they didn’t snap they weren’t constantly spiking her insulin levels… Everything that modern doctors are telling us to do has been wrong for the past 30-40 years.  Now that the truth is out, and it is starting to become more widely known, things will hopefully change.

 

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These tiny little things that I’m explaining, may not be a big deal to a lot of people. But it’s a really fucking big deal to me. For a very long time I felt very guilty and shameful about my condition. Like it’s my fault and I just don’t have the right amount of willpower. Turns out this is a big fucking lie. I was lied  to buy doctors who made me feel like it was all my fault, and I was just a heart attack waiting to happen. Well the truth is that the doctors didn’t know what the fuck they were talking about. They were treating me wrong.  This doctor knows how to treat people the right way and it works.

[.Spectator]

@Simonpayton

In the US they seem to load up all the food with sugar. British people find that even the bread is sweet.

It is literally impossible to get away from sugar unless you know exactly what you were looking for. And that is where we are also misguided.

How does Dr Fung propose changing the base metabolic rate, and what does that have to do with anything?

Periods of fasting. This will be different for different people of course. But think about it. Fasting has been a part of every world religion and every culture since the dawn of man… It is only within the last 30 to 40 years within the United States that we absolutely don’t fast, and that fasting has been demonized in a way that we think it is absolutely not good for us. On the contrary

 

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<p style=”text-align: left;”>After hearing a lot of his talks, I realize that I had absolutely no idea what to do about sugar. I was eating things that I thought we’re healthy that actually weren’t that’s the type of thing I’m talking about. My doctors told me to eat certain things that it turns out I actually do you raise my blood sugar! They don’t even know so how can they tell me.  When our own doctors here in the United States have all the wrong information how can we trust anything?</p>

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[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

The 4 minute video is good.  Consuming less food (calories) is fasting as I mentioned earlier. If it is non-processed food then the added sugar is not there in the first place and you start burning fat reserves sooner. Exercise speeds up the metabolism. I never exercise to lose weight. That is the wrong approach. If a person is fit they tend not to eat junk food. I exercise to stay as fit and healthy as possible.

I never heard heard of the “6 meals a day” routine. I eat when I am hungry and stop when I am full. Some people in this BBC program reversed their type 2 diabetics with calories restricted diets – they ate less but better food.

Also this on the 5:2 fasting diet.

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@Reg

RE: I never heard heard of the “6 meals a day” routine. I eat when I am hungry and stop when I am full

YES!  Here in the United States they tell you to have six meals a day throughout the day in small portions and that is supposed to help you lose weight. That is what my nutritionist said when I went to the doctor. And it is total fucking bullshit

[.Spectator]

I think I might still have all of her paperwork and recommendations… It’s totally wrong what you are saying is totally right. Not eating more than a couple of times a day and having a period of intermittent fasting every day

[.Spectator]

That’s not what we’re told here in the United States.   Then the doctors wonder why were all fat. Really? Are you fucking kidding me

[.Spectator]

I’m pretty angry and mad that I was told the wrong thing all this time. But at least I have the right information now

[.Spectator]

I think where this is most freeing is that honestly it allows me to realize that it wasn’t my fault. That despite my best effort’s I was just given wrong information. I do find it interesting that all of the world’s religions forever and ever I recommended fasting. And so it just seems like in a lot of ways religions are just a way to help keep the culture cohesive.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

That Dr Fung, and his advice, seem eminently eminently sensible.  On the graph you can see the switch from burning sugar to burning fat.  He seems to say that it’s necessary to fast (at least partially) for a few days, in order to burn off the sugar stores, which are in the liver I believe.  The liver produces sugar of its own anyway, all the time.  Probably, that’s where the stress-related rise in blood sugar is supplied from.

So, that’s why my friend lost a ton of weight through a low-carb diet (the dreaded Atkins diet – it worked for him).

I still don’t know anything about reducing insulin resistance, but maybe it’s like reducing alcohol tolerance – cut it out for a while, and the tolerance goes down.

Also, metabolic base rate, I’m still in the dark.  But I would have thought that 4-minute video tells you enough.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

If insulin is a “storage hormone” – then it makes sense that if there is less carbohydrate, and therefore, less insulin, which is produced in reaction to carbohydrates, then there will be less storage, and more burning, of fat.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Just because something’s in a religion, or traditional, doesn’t make it true.  But there has to be some big reason for the increase in obesity, and it really is looking like sugar.

[.Spectator]

@Simonpayton

Insulin goes up when you eat and it goes down when you don’t. So if you don’t eat your insulin is low and then it goes to the point where your body burns off all the glucose that you were eating in the food you just ate… Then after that it starts to burn fat because it has no other source of energy. The body can only burn fat or sugar. So if you don’t have any sugar,  your body is going to start burning it’s fat. Now obviously if you were a person who is already thin and in shape like Reg, it doesn’t fucking matter but for a person who is trying to lose over 100 pounds it really matters! It matters because what doctors need to be telling these people is that they would be doing some good to go on some fasting. There are different ways that each individual person can make it happen for themselves.  I for example I am combining his approach along with the warrior diet. So I’m eating my largest meal around six in the evening. I have an eight hour eating window from 10 AM to 6 PM every day. And that’s basically when I consume my calories. Outside of that timeframe I drink a ton of water, drink tea,  and if I’m really feeling like my body need something I’ll drink some bone broth or eat some grilled chicken, like a bite or two. But basically I’m trying to do 16 hours a day of fasting and 8 hours where I can eat.   This is advice that had never been given to me before. But in addition to that the things that I’m eating are healthy. I was already eating healthy. I’ve been eating healthy for a long time so one would think what’s the fucking problem right? Well the problem is the insulin resistance that was never addressed by my doctors. That is where Dr. phone is completely different.

So basically for anybody who has obesity or type two diabetes etc., it means that your body is basically one big sugar bowl and you need to expend the energy that you’ve taken in. The only way to do that is to fast and make your body burn down all the energy it has stored like a grizzly bear. This shouldn’t be rocket science and I don’t understand why it took us so long to figure that out! But basically we need to eat as if  food wasn’t always 100 percent readily available to us in minutes, and we need to eat as if we had to go out and hunt something and eat it that night. That’s how we’ve evolved.

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[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Insulin goes up when we eat carbs, and that insulin makes us lay down fat, because the job of insulin is to deal with carbs (either make it available to cells right away, or store it as fat).

If we eat fat, there is almost no increase in insulin.

If we fast, then the ready sugar that has been stored in the liver, or wherever, gets burned off.  After that’s burned off, the body switches to burning fat – either stored, or just eaten, presumably.

I think there has to be some planned regime of more long-term fasting, and definitely, all the time, restriction of carbs.  But like Reg says, we shouldn’t cut out carbs entirely – just restrict them.  Basically, the idea is that the fat replaces the carbs as a source of energy for the body.

On Dr Fung’s graph, the switch to burning fat occurs after a few days, it seems.

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