Someone once said…
January 24, 2019 at 6:20 pm #25248
“The problem is that there is no difference between the avant-garde and a parody of the avant-garde.”
What is the avant-garde? Is it a real “thing”? Or is all avant-garde a parody of art?
Take, for example, Dali. Was he avant-garde or a joker making fun of people who take art seriously.
January 25, 2019 at 3:59 am #25254
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I visited the Dali Museum last year. I soon realized his greatness was no joke. Some people wept. When it comes to art a 3×5 inch photo just doesn’t work like a lit-up 12×6 foot painting.January 25, 2019 at 5:04 pm #25258
Back when I lived in the Cleveland, OH area, and back when that was where The Dali Museum was located, I saw the same paintings, and they are just as impressive as you say. A gigantic photorealistic paintinhag is an experience of a lifetime. Dali definitely was a master painter with talents on a par with Vermeer (an artist he very much admired).
But was he a masturpainter at the same time?
Surrealism, as so often happens to the avant-garde, was coopted into a “school” or “movement,” which always makes it mainstream and emasculated.
Here’s a contemporary video. Avant-garde? or just a kick in the art lover’s crotch?
The artist (whose butt is featured) is a French Canadian Youtube personality and small-time porn actress going by the name Piper Blush.January 25, 2019 at 5:08 pm #25259
Is avant-garde possible anymore? And if not, is it because we are past being able to be shocked?January 26, 2019 at 3:16 am #25261
Avant-garde doesn’t have to be shocking, just innovative.January 26, 2019 at 3:21 am #25263
Avant-garde doesn’t have to be shocking, just innovative.
An example, please. In art. The term “avant-garde” is used almost exclusively in context of the arts.January 26, 2019 at 3:31 am #25264
In the books department I am currently working in as a curator, we have a shelf labeled “POP CULTURE/COUNTER-CULTURE.” I think this explains what happens to to anything that thinks it’s avant-garde.January 26, 2019 at 5:00 am #25265
Well to start with much of today’s art is digital, Books?, really?
I would call fractal art innovative. Now we can harness massive computational power
And secondly do you really think many artists go around calling themselves avant-garde? They create what they create. Critics have the need to go around labeling everything.January 26, 2019 at 9:12 pm #25268
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I visited the Dali museum in Barcelona a years ago and was impressed by the collection.
I was never able to see eye to ear with Picasso so maybe he is avant-garde?January 28, 2019 at 8:15 pm #25278
I visited the Dali exhibition when it was in Amsterdam. Do I need to say any more?January 28, 2019 at 9:41 pm #25280
I think “avant-garde” has become the new normal. We aim to be avant-garde and to break boundaries and be new, these days.January 31, 2019 at 7:07 am #25296
Is avant-garde possible anymore? And if not, is it because we are past being able to be shocked?
Perhaps an internet overflowing with supposed “avant-garde” content and circulation pretty much dilutes any specialness it could have had.January 31, 2019 at 8:03 pm #25297
Perhaps an internet overflowing with supposed “avant-garde” content and circulation pretty much dilutes any specialness it could have had.
However, I don’t see why it couldn’t exist in (say) museums, and other privatized and/or elite venues. After all, upper classes in our civilizations have enriched the possibilities of leisure activity, at least for those who can afford it, and for those who’ve been lucky enough to get a hand up from their mundane day-to-day survival sagas.January 31, 2019 at 9:31 pm #25298
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator
Would anyone consider “The Lady in Gold” by Gustav Klimt as Avant-garde? I think the story behind it is great. I saw it here a few years ago. An exhibition by Munch was on the top floor that week. Would “The Scream” (any version of) be described likewise?February 3, 2019 at 4:27 am #25301
You ask if a work, say Munch’s The Scream, is avant-garde. Well, is avant-gardedness a property of a painting the way “rectangular in shape” or “mostly blue in color” or “photorealistic” is a property? Is a painting avant-garde in the same way it might be surrealist?
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