Tik Tok school violence “threat”

[—Participant]

I agree with regard to crime rates generally. Many parents I know talk about how dangerous it is for kids these days when they voice concerns of violence and sexual predators. While I can agree that there are new challenges compared to when we were kids, overall things are probably much safer now. There are a number of cases where things are safer today than in the past.

School shootings… I don’t know. As I stated earlier, it’s a low frequency event (in any decade), but some have likely been worse than others. I say likely because I don’t know if the data is always comprehensive, and total number of recorded incidents in a given decade would have to be adjusted for population. Definitely the ability to publicize a threat has increased.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

We don’t get school shootings in the UK done by students.  We get knife crime.  That’s what we have to worry about.  The school kids are forever stabbing each other.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Ivy and Fellow Unbelievers,

With all of this said about threats of violence on TikTok, there are always many other reasons for withdrawing kids from Gummint Skoolz, or indeed any school where something like the incident below would ever occur:

DC 3rd graders made to reenact Holocaust ‘because Jews ruined Christmas’
Children told to simulate digging mass graves and shooting victims; Jewish student cast as Hitler and made to pretend to commit suicide at end of exercise
https://www.timesofisrael.com/dc-teacher-suspended-after-making-3rd-grade-kids-reenact-holocaust-scenes/

You can only imagine how this Nimrod teacher would teach about Critical Race Theory (CRT) and Wokeism, especially since CRT and Wokeism don’t even acknowledge Jews as historical victims of “systemic racism” and persecution and CRT/Wokeism frequently back the New Antisemitism so common in Far Left academia. And except for parents knowing from what their children revealed, this mind-warping teacher could have used the captive audience of compulsory Gummint Skoolz and gotten away with it!

As Rodgers & Hammerstein put it: “You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught”

• This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Spelling and spacing and grammar, carefully learned

[—Participant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

You can only imagine how this Nimrod teacher would teach about Critical Race Theory (CRT) and Wokeism, especially since CRT and Wokeism don’t even acknowledge Jews as historical victims of “systemic racism” and persecution and CRT/Wokeism frequently back the New Antisemitism so common in Far Left academia. And except for parents knowing from what their children revealed, this mind-warping teacher could have used the captive audience of compulsory Gummint Skoolz and gotten away with it!

Is there a particular reason why you need to derail the thread with this? It’s not even a good segue. While antisemitism is still an issue in society, the case you’ve highlighted seems quite exceptional, has little or nothing to do with critical race theory or being woke, and nothing to do with the OP apart from the vague topic of schools.

While I’ve been guilty of it more times than I’d care to admit, I find it’s bad form just to jumble a bunch of disparate thoughts together and hack them up in a forum like a hairball.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Derailed as Enco fails in the gusty winds until storm abates the zephyr pales in homage to his tall tales. Skipping merrily to the tune of ideology dispatching, ignoring contrary winds as mere trick laws and traces of  Yeti claws the gustatory endive of crustaceans.

[—Participant]

It does feel a bit tilting at windmills. I love creativity, but I guess I just wish people could sometimes make an argument with a good old fashioned coherent formula. If they took the time, maybe they’d see it’s not a great idea to shotgun* a bunch of vaguely related terms hoping a logical argument forms magically in the process. It rarely, if ever, does.

*Pun not intended.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Autumn,

The topic is violence against children, in particular within schools, and how to protect them.

A psycho teacher taking children who are compelled by law to attend school and forcing those children to mimic violence–and especially some of the most horrific violence in the Twentieth Century and indeed all of human history–fits that bill perfectly.

A child doesn’t need to be in a snakepit to know that snakes can be hazardous, nor do they need to mimic or experience violence to learn about it in history or to learn that it’s wrong to initiate violence. None of this is derailing a thread.

• This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Spacing. Maintaining two arms' length always helps

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake,

You’re still fully “special.”

[—Participant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Autumn, The topic is violence against children,

It was about a TikTok threat/ stunt claiming a particular day was “National shoot up your school day.”

None of this is derailing a thread.

You tried to shoehorn an irrelevant incident into some weird dis on critical race theory and “wokeism” somehow tying them to antisemitism with imaginary rope, and put the words ‘systemic racism’ in scare quotes for no discernible reason.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

I don’t mind if someone derails a thread, because that’s what free enquiry is all about.  If you don’t agree with the content of the derailment, that’s a different matter.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

I would prefer not to have a post overly moderated if the derailment does not become the main topic of the thread and the OP does not complain. It can demonstrate what “how not to win a debate” looks like. But in general we should try to stick to the topic and argue for and against it and not tilt at windmills or strawmen.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

Simon Paynton wrote:

If you don’t agree with the content of the derailment, that’s a different matter.

I mean, a separate issue.  I don’t know what I agree with out of all those statements.

[Simon PayntonParticipant]

When a right winger derails the argument with aggressive ad-hominem attacks – that is annoying.

[DavisModerator]

Enco sometimes frames his arguments in the format of: premises and/or evidence and conclusion, relatively related to the topic at hand. More frequently though, I get lost in the argument and or conclusion and I am left wonderful what on Earth it has to do with the post he is responding to. In this case, Enco, you went off one of your vaguely related tangent and as Autumn said…making untenable connections and conclusions from disparate fragmented stories and evidence and are only connected to the original story by several degrees of separation…not to mention that the conclusion you are insinuating is a hyper generalisation. I tend to ignore these posts as they derail the conversation which effectively, for most people, should put that thread to an end. Autumn is wise in narrating this. I don’t have the patience for it anymore.

• This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by  Davis.

[DavisModerator]

I am with you Simon in that digression and conversations forking out is not necessarily a bad thing. I only ask that it is not just nonsense or cliche conservative or liberal talking points or outright derailing a conversation.

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