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    jakelafort
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    Unseen, that was quite an informative article from Hill you linked.

    It is as FUBAR as one might imagine and then some.

    Capitalism has run amok. We gots da best government a business can buy. Health of our citizens? meh… Let em eat cake…and boy do they…Americans are obese…and that is good for business.

    How hard is this to solve or at least ameliorate? Emulate other nations that are doing it better? Medicare for all with a few tweaks?

    #44061

    Let em eat cake…and boy do they….

    Apparently the cake they ate back in 1969 was delicious too!

    #44062

    jakelafort
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    It seems like obesity is a risk factor for every damn illness or disease. 90 years old and fat? Idk but every single time i see a pic of a 100 yr old it is a skinny mini person.

    If USA socializes medicine and it should maybe we can have incentives relating to weight. Obesity is directly related to our ridiculous health care bill. So it might be a net positive to have financial incentives. Also it might ease the burden on health care workers a bit if it was the impetus to lose/maintain weight.

    #44063

    Unseen
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    It seems like obesity is a risk factor for every damn illness or disease. 90 years old and fat? Idk but every single time i see a pic of a 100 yr old it is a skinny mini person. If USA socializes medicine and it should maybe we can have incentives relating to weight. Obesity is directly related to our ridiculous health care bill. So it might be a net positive to have financial incentives. Also it might ease the burden on health care workers a bit if it was the impetus to lose/maintain weight.

    America has an allergy to social engineering. If you try to force people to do one thing, they will ignore you or do the opposite in order to exert their autonomy.

    #44064

    jakelafort
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    Unseen, allergy to social engineering?

    Churches, schools, nationalism, advertising, echo chambers on social media, Fox, CNN. I wish it were so. Although i suppose it is the perception of manipulation that is the bugaboo. Jews will not replace us-not that many Jews are competing against you for those jobs..

    I skimmed a few articles on the topic of financial incentives. I would have to invest more time to have a solid opinion but there is some promise from what i could ascertain.

    #44071

    Unseen
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    @jake

    Yes, people rebel against the feeling they are being forced or corralled into doing something. It’s all about perception..

    #44103

    TheEncogitationer
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    Jake,

    Yes i saw what i wrote and see it without contradiction. Again certain industries are dominated by a few big players and they hose the public. If we were to have the government run the oil and gas industry we could all save money on taxes with the revenue borne of government profit. We could also use that as an impetus to begin the conversion to a green economy. These prices at the gas pump are bullshit.

    This very thing happened in Venezuela. The government nationalized and ran Venezuela’s oil industry, gave Citizens gas at the equivalent of about $.50 a gallon, and used the profits to fund all kinds of “free shit” gummies.

    It also provided government oil jobs to all the cronies of each regime, who were more interested in leaning on their shovels and rigs than in finding and drilling more oil. It also whetted the government’s appetite to nationalize other industries, which were then ran the same way. It was all gravy train until other nations started discovering and drilling for their own petroleum and demand for Venezuelan oil went down.

    The end result was that one of the founding signatories of OPEC with more oil than Saudi Arabia ended up having to print more money to fund all of it’s “free shit” gimmies, which made the purchasing power of it’s currency collapse and made the country so poor it could not even afford to drill and refine it’s own oil.

    How Socialism Wiped Out Venezuela’s Spectacular Oil Wealth
    https://youtu.be/0mvjp0ZqK7Qa

    The Economic Failure of Venezuela

    Adding “green energy” like solar and wind to all of that would finish destroying any nation that followed the path of Venezuela. People reduced to eating garbage, grass, and zoo animals would then turn on each other in cannibalism.

    Sure inflation can occur as you say. It also can be the result of a product or service that is necessary for in this case trucking and prices that get passed along to the consumer.

    No. not “can.”. Printing more money to chase fewer goods and services is precisely the dictionary and literal definition of inflation, prima facie, ipso facto, a priori, the nub of the jist, the crux of the sawdust-filled biscuit. And it affects all prices, including the price of fuel.

    And when you abandon your libertarian principles and get all gung ho to help the Ukranians there is a fall out for billions of humans that did not sign on. Is that a foolish consistency?

    I’ve never called for tax-funded foreign aid or U.S. troops to go to Ukraine, only for voluntary donations of weapons and materiels to the innocent civilians of Ukraine just trying to survive and be free between an invasion by Putin and a domestic government that is equally growing more repressive. No libertarian inconsistency and no foolish consistency, just good people sharing boom-sticks with good people to keep very real hobgoblins away.

    Is Venezuela as an example consonant with the USA?

    All of Venezuela’s Socialistic dictators were all “democratically” elected, just like U.S. Socialists Bernie Sanders and The Squad say they want it. Yes, as Sinclair Lewis observed It Can Happen Here.

    On the other hand i totally get the practice of law being restricted to people with legal training who have passed the bar. It is a necessary for the benefit of the public. It is a minefield out there. If you don’t know what you are doing you get eaten alive.

    Laws that lawyers create that are at the behest of big business in the so called free market. It is a charade. It is nonsense. And although lawyers are often assholes and priestly they serve a necessary function in society. The kinds of laws you allude to are important because in an environment without and oversight of business it is clear from history and everything we know about humans that there will be abuse. I wont expand because it is an obvious point.

    This reminds me of the old chestnut:”If it wasn’t for lawyers, you wouldn’t need them.”. 🤨 😁

    #44109

    Unseen
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    @Enco

    The main cause of Venezuela’s economic problems isn’t socialism, it’s capitalist interference by The United States.

    What makes prices go up? Well, capitalism is right: Prices go up when there are shortages, when there isn’t enough of something to go around. It’s called the law of supply and demand. And one thing which has become artificially scarce for Venezuela is trade through sanctions engineered by the United States. The U.S. gets oil from the other side of the world, The Middle East, rather than from Venezuela, which is nearby. That makes no economic sense unless you want to force Venezuela to fail. The U.S. is also less than friendly to countries who do business with Venezuela.

    Until the U.S. takes its hands off the throat of Venezuela, we can’t accurately judge Venezuela’s success.

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