Ukraine has already lost the war
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Guys, get your heads out of the Russo propaganda. It’s bullshit.
From Tuesday, when Putin said that Ukraine lost 7,000 men, 160 tanks, and 360 armored vehicles in the opening days of the counteroffensive.
Republican Senator Dick Black: “Ukraine’s offensive hit a steel wall. 7,000 KIA, 160 tanks and 360 armored vehicles destroyed in just one week with trivial gains. It is a pointless bloodbath. Charred Leopard tanks and Bradley vehicles lie everywhere.
Telling Ukraine to fight “for as long as it takes” is inhuman. End this tragic war now.”Anyone see Bigfoot lately?
Mark Summer (DailyKos.com): “Since Russia launched its illegal invasion of Ukraine, there have been periods in which operational security—especially on the Ukrainian side—has been very tight. Ukrainian forces have generally cooperated in putting their phones down and not sending along those images of a critical battle, a line of smashed vehicles, or a liberated settlement. They’ve been really good … for a day or two. Then we get to see.
There are nearly 1 million people involved in this fight, almost every one of them is carrying a device that can take video and still images, and all of them can squirt those images straight onto the internet with or without the approval of their leaders. Plus this is taking place in a country where there are millions of civilians who are also nearly all equipped with their own in-hand TV studios. Then there are drone videos. There are civilian volunteers driving right out to the battle front. There are journalists mingling with the troops. There are videos produced by military units that have astoundingly professional polish. There is satellite imagery, available even to civilians, so good that it can often not just spot a vehicle, but determine the make.
Since Tuesday, Putin has updated his claims. He now says that Ukraine has lost 186 tanks and 418 armored vehicles.
Sadly, there is no Bigfoot. Happily, there are also not 186 dead Ukrainian tanks sitting out there in the roughly 5-kilometer zone along the front lines. If there were, Russia would not still be sending out videos of the same handful of vehicles lost in the first two days of the counteroffensive.
Earlier this week, Reuters sent news crews right into the thick of the counteroffensive, to the just liberated towns of Storozheve and Neskuchne. They did not pass 160 dead Ukrainian tanks. But they did pass something.
The road into the newly liberated Ukrainian village of Storozheve is lined with the corpses of Russian soldiers and burnt-out armored vehicles.
The grisly scenes bear witness to the ferocity of fighting as Ukrainian troops recaptured Storozheve and several other villages in the past few days as part of a counteroffensive in southern and eastern Ukraine.These villages have been occupied by Russia since March 2022, just weeks after the invasion began. Now Russia is gone from those locations, except for the Russian bodies that are still awaiting cleanup everywhere along the line of advance. In that same interview where he falsely claimed 160 Ukrainian tanks had been lost, Putin also said that 54 Russian tanks had been destroyed. That part may be pretty close to true. So far, Oryx has cataloged 35 Russian tanks lost since the counteroffensive began around the first of the month. Given another couple of days to catch up to the latest photos, they may well match Putin’s number.
Meanwhile, the actual number of Leopard tanks damaged or destroyed so far seems to be five. At least two of these have been recovered and are being repaired.
Ukraine is on the offensive, but Russia is losing more men and more vehicles. That’s pretty amazing all on its own. And it wouldn’t be happening except that, as kos wrote yesterday, Russia has no concept of strategy.”
Had to cut and paste that whole thing because it’s dead on. It’s on point. As an example Putin sent out more 1958 tanks to the front line. The armor on these tanks is like swiss cheese. So instead of using the tanks as , well, tanks they have dug them into the ground and are trying to use them as artillery pieces. A waste. The barrels on these tanks are not made to be used for constant firing. Like the ones on real artillery cannons. Also, they have limited range.
I don’t think The Ukraine is losing anything. They are slowly wining. And they are doing it without committing atrocities on the Russian population.
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Noel.
without evidence
I guess what matters if if you are willing to look at the evidence and see what’s in front of your eyes. What follows is my evidence. What evidence do you (or anyone reading) have that Russia did it beyond pure “Let’s blame Russia for everything bad”?:
Biden makes clear the U.S. would “bring an end to it” (the pipeline):
After mission accomplished (no matter who did it, I suppose) Sec’y of State Blinken saw it as a “tremendous opportunity” to remove European dependence on Russia for oil. But then ask yourself who/what benefits from the destruction of the pipelines?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_AL5Y3wNgBs
In this clip, you want to zoom ahead to 1:30 and listen to what Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland says “All options are on the table.”
If you have more time:
As for the dam breach, I have no opinion until something like evidence emerges. Putin very well could be behind it. He’s a bastard. I just can’t believe he found some advantage in giving up the Nordstream revenues.
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OH my gawd Unseen, you ask waht motive. That is easy. It is humanitarian concerns. Cuz that is how governments operate.
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