John Major

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    John Major
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    I agree. Silly. Plants feeling pain!

    #3425
    John Major
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    Yes, we need protein but not necessarily animal protein. Not all animals eaten graze.

    We are not carnivores. We lack incisors.  Besides the rest of our teeth are grinders and our mouths work differently to those of carnivorous species. Our jaws move from side to side unlike the huge majority of carnivores. Ours are more like herbivore teeth than carnivore teeth, that is certain. But it’s silly really even to enter into this debate. We aren’t governed by our teeth. We’ve brains and can choose. Our bodies clearly don’t need meat and so it becomes a lifestyle choice. I choose not to inflict unnecessary pain and suffering on other animals because I like a particular taste. For me, avoiding that cruelty is the right thing to do.

    Plants almost certainly don’t feel pain. Other animals have brains and central nervous systems like humans and the react to pain stimulants like humans do. There’s much less evidence plants feel pain. This far-fetched argument also fails to recognise all the grasses those grazing animals eat before their slaughter. If you are concerned about minimising pain and suffering, this needs consideration.

    #3422
    John Major
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    Yes it’s completely debatable. That’s why morality is subjective. Surely is you don’t have to eat them but still do, the harm is unnecessary. Is captivity cruel? Is forcible insemination cruel? Is removing a calf from its mother cruel? To me, yes. But because it’s another species it doesn’t get proper consideration.

    #3420
    John Major
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    @ Simon Paynton. ” it’s an interesting question. Cruelty means to get pleasure from inflicting harm. Whether or not pleasure is obtained, sometimes that harm is deserved. If harm is unnecessary, then it’s unfair.”

    I think this is true. It’s wrong to inflict unnecessary harm for pleasure. It doesn’t matter a person’s sex, colour, religion size or shape. Inflicting harm on them is wrong as it makes them suffer. Suffering is key here. That’s why I argue is just as unfair and immoral to inflict harm unnecessarily on other animals. You can add species to the list of arbitrary differences often used to justify cruel treatment (colour, sex etc.) What matters is that they suffer and it’s against their interests. We don’t need to eat other animals and so causing their death and suffering is wrong in my opinion.

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