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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic A religious moderate is a failed fundamentalist. in the forum Atheism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2018 12:03:08 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally worship the &#8220;Sun&#8221; because through nuclear fission, it sends energy to sustain all life on earth!</p>
<p>His name is RA! The sun God!</p>
<p><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_deity" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_deity</a></p>
<p>Joking!</p>
<p><strong>Worship </strong>is the wrong word.</p>
<p>I am happy that I am actually a live, that I am conscious and not suffering.That I was born at all. Because the probability&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-15156"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/a-religious-moderate-is-a-failed-fundamentalist/page/2/#post-24625" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic What is a right? in the forum Politics</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2018 10:00:49 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>By using the word <strong>some</strong> (quantifier) to describe the (subject) <strong>values. </strong>It by definition means that there <strong>are </strong>other values</p>
<p>Enthymeme &#8211; a logical argument that contains a conclusion but an implied premise</p>
<p>In ordinary speech we use these all the time &#8221; its raining so I am going to take an umbrella &#8221; it would be really tedious if I were to say&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-15104"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-a-right/page/3/#post-24540" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic What is a right? in the forum Politics</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2018 10:33:10 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Hume fact/Value divide or what IS and What OUGHT</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem</a></p>
<p>Not sure if there is a clear argument either way, but one way I understand is that what Hume is saying</p>
<p>That there are facts about the world, what IS and what IS not which can be proved right or wrong. For example ice is cold.</p>
<p>He is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-15086"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-a-right/page/2/#post-24519" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic What is a right? in the forum Politics</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 22:05:03 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree with that, but that argument is at the level of genes, which is different to the individual animal, the individual is a collection of genes. So one example of this is in social insects like ants or bees. Where there are sterile individuals who work for the good of the group ( kin selection) so even if they die if their behaviors mean&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-15078"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-a-right/page/2/#post-24511" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic What is a right? in the forum Politics</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2018 09:31:34 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-a-right/page/2/#post-24508" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-a-right/#post-24506" rel="nofollow ugc">Davis wrote:</a><br />
Perhaps you mean treat those within their family unit, perhaps within their community and maybe within their culture ethically?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.</p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-a-right/#post-24506" rel="nofollow ugc">Davis wrote:</a><br />
it is an instinct shared by all living things, each to seek in its own way to thrive/survive/reproduce maximally.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><em>This is as false as any statement can be.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Do you&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School October 21th 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2018 20:36:27 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Reg,</p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is Atheism a Religion? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2018 08:32:37 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the kind of argument for existence of GOD, and the problem of natural and moral evil.</p>
<p>Its been discussed since Aquinas, one modern explanation is called the Alvin Plantinga&#8217;s free will defense.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like it, for the reason that its not logically coherent.</p>
<p>Think about what your saying,</p>
<p>In order for God to &#8220;test us&#8221; using our free&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14954"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/5/#post-24398" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is Atheism a Religion? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2018 07:17:15 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/4/#post-24367" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/4/#post-24364" rel="nofollow ugc">Clearsky wrote:</a><br />
Belief if God does not have this ability to make predictions which can be verified in our immediate experience.</p></blockquote>
<p>What predictions would belief in God make? For one, I think that doing “what God wants” – unselfishly and bravely helping others – should be aided from “on high” or out of nowhere. Reality sho&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic How Is Christianity NOT Polytheism? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2018 19:43:33 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point,</p>
<p>It was explained to me in quite comprehensive way.</p>
<p>I still could not understand it,</p>
<p>It could just be me, I guess as I don&#8217;t have a good grasp of theology.</p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is Atheism a Religion? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2018 13:41:36 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/4/#post-24362" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a><br />
Has the Flying Spaghetti Monster caused a book with genuine wisdom in it, to be written? Does the Flying Spaghetti Monster help people in their everyday lives?</p></blockquote>
<p>The debate is on <em><strong>proofs </strong></em>existence or <strong>non existence </strong>God that&#8217;s one thing</p>
<p>The <strong>results</strong> and <strong>behaviour</strong> of a <em><strong>belief</strong></em> or non belief like religious books, rites rituals social&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14921"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/4/#post-24364" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is Atheism a Religion? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2018 10:06:00 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a Flying Spaghetti Monster a live</p>
<p>Its one trillion light years from earth so it&#8217;s practically  impossible to get there</p>
<p>, its so small that it&#8217;s impossible to see and</p>
<p>has no mass to affect gravity</p>
<p>its so quiet that it&#8217;s impossible to hear. It gives off no detectable electromagnetic  radiation.</p>
<p>I honestly and faithfully believe in t&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14917"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/4/#post-24360" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is Atheism a Religion? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2018 09:13:51 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Its not my Idea I read about it in an article.  OK people can debate about which beliefs are false or true. ( the belief dimension) that&#8217;s subjective.</p>
<p>if people look at the objective consequence of those (false) beliefs. The effects to individuals and society. Which are often harmful. It might be possible to argue against those&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14913"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/4/#post-24356" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is Atheism a Religion? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:48:08 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 Dimensions to look at the Phenomena of religion.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>1)religion as <strong>beliefs and meaning</strong>,</p>
<p>Examples<br />
Stuff like beliefs in God, who you are for example a soul and created by God</p>
<p>What&#8217;s out there, what is the universe</p>
<p>The beliefs in rites and rituals, miracles</p>
<p>What is moral what is sinful.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>2) Religion<strong> as Identity</strong>( group)</p>
<p>Examples<br />
In group /&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14907"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/4/#post-24349" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School October 7th 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:52:35 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep,</p>
<p>I think its good as well.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2018 18:59:50 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/2/#post-24314" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/2/#post-24300" rel="nofollow ugc">Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:</a></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>It is when theists say “I am not religious, I just have a personal relationship with Jesus” that the fun starts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Personally, I’ve never heard that position expressed.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s possible because, there are ordinary people called Jesus.</p>
<p>If your husband is called Jesus and you were both Atheist.</p>
<p>Then sayin&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14879"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/page/2/#post-24318" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School October 7th 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2018 21:50:22 +0000</pubDate>

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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School October 7th 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2018 15:07:46 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Reg,</p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is the Xian God A Predator? Are All Gods Predators? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 22:14:06 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Strega</p>
<p>I think your right here.</p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is Atheism a Religion? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 18:04:47 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/#post-24279" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a><br />
<a href="https://atheistzone.com/members/unseen/" rel="nofollow ugc"></a><a href='https://atheistzone.com/members/unseen/' rel="nofollow ugc">@unseen</a> – “<em>You won’t find the Michael Jackson or Dr. Who (technically, Doctor Who) Fan Clubs in an book on major religions of the world.</em>” – apart from the dictionary definition, what attributes do religions have that atheism doesn’t have?</p></blockquote>
<p>One <em><strong>attribute </strong></em>that Religion has which <em><strong>atheism </strong></em>does NOT have is</p>
<p>The belief in super&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14840"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-atheism-a-religion/#post-24282" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is the Xian God A Predator? Are All Gods Predators? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 17:49:12 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is what I am saying,  They hated each other, but they are still in the same group.</p>
<p>They are both in the group of people who <strong>both</strong> believe in GOD.</p>
<p>The <strong>Neighbour of Jesus </strong>in the Parable is the <em>&#8221; Good Samaritan &#8221; </em></p>
<p>Because he is the Guardian of the Torah and he helps  fellow Believer <em><strong>even </strong></em>though <em><strong>he may hate </strong></em>him.</p>
<p>Which is even worse a person a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14839"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-xian-god-a-predator-are-all-gods-predators/page/2/#post-24280" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Is the Xian God A Predator? Are All Gods Predators? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2018 09:45:09 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Testament says other stuff as well</p>
<p>Jesus is quoted stating</p>
<p>But those mine enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me.’”</p>
<p>Luke 19:27</p>
<p>The <strong>Good Samaritan </strong> ( also in Luke) is not one outside of the <em><strong>Group. </strong></em>They are both  believers.</p>
<p>The man who is injured is a Jewish person and the Sama&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14835"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-xian-god-a-predator-are-all-gods-predators/page/2/#post-24274" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2018 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this on YouTube</p>
<p>What makes something right or wrong.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2018 21:24:36 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is probably is a part of human nature. Likely a combination of culture and genetics.</p>
<p>There is a fundamental good aspect of the golden rule, but also drawbacks.</p>
<p>But as you guys know not everything which is natural or nature is moral.</p>
<p>One drawback is that in the G.R ask one to treat others as we would like to be treated.</p>
<p>The problem&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14829"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-xian-god-a-predator-are-all-gods-predators/page/2/#post-24266" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2018 09:40:48 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religious belief &amp; the oppression of the golden rule.<br />
&#8220;Do unto others as you would have them do unto you,&#8221; commonly known as &#8220;The Golden Rule,&#8221; is indeed a biblical principle. Luke 6:31 records Jesus saying<br />
Seems on the first reading as a pretty good moral rule? It is almost universal in various religious scriptures.<br />
The problem is in my opinion,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14823"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-xian-god-a-predator-are-all-gods-predators/#post-24258" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky posted an update: https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/us/einstein-god-letter-auction- [&#133;]</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2018 22:37:30 +0000</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:59:14 +0000</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2018 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, thanks for your thoughtful reply, and personal perspective.</p>
<p>I was watching CNN about Jeff Flake about how he may have changed his mind about FBI investigation when he met 2 women who were previous victims of abuse in the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14780"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/14774/#acomment-14780" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 30th 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:47:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your welcome Reg,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if your familiar with Jared Diamond&#8217;s work,</p>
<p>Anyway if your not there is a book called.</p>
<p>Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed.</p>
<p>Here is the Wikipedia link.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse:_How_Societies_Choose_to_Fail_or_Succeed" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse:_How_Societies_Choose_to_Fail_or_Succeed</a></p>
<p>I remember there a part in the book where a society, collapsed&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14778"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/sunday-school/forum/topic/sunday-school-september-30th-2018/#post-24231" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 30th 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2018 15:12:04 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gott ist tot&#8221;&#8211; God is Dead &#8211;  Nietzsche.</p>
<p>The problem is <em><strong> the </strong></em><em><strong>spell remains.  </strong></em>(pernicious spell of dogmatic religious belief).</p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 30th 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:53:22 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Reg,</p>
<p>Maybe there is a link between belief in God and denying responsibility for the environment?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/06/02/why-dont-christian-conservatives-worry-about-climate-change-god/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/06/02/why-dont-christian-conservatives-worry-about-climate-change-god/</a></p>
<p>If individuals only think about themselves, then we may end up&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14770"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/sunday-school/forum/topic/sunday-school-september-30th-2018/#post-24226" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky posted an update: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/03/denialism-what-dr [&#133;]</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/14764/</link>
				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:01:50 +0000</pubDate>

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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 23rd 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2018 08:52:31 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>YouTube Vid on choosing <strong>partner </strong>, so that it last longer than your <strong>car</strong>! ( did you know its possible to have an <strong>expensive</strong> house but a horrible marriage?)</p>
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				<title>Clearsky joined the group Bookish atheists</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:05:00 +0000</pubDate>

				
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				<title>Clearsky posted an update: Hi Simon, 

You don&#039;t need to buy it, its free &#038; open access [&#133;]</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/14754/</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:38:03 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon, </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to buy it, its free &amp; open access at the royal society for open science. As PDF</p>
<p>Smith D et al.2016Camp stability predicts patterns of hunter–gatherer cooperation. R. Soc. open sci. 3: 160131. </p>
<p><a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rsos.160131" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rsos.160131</a></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 23rd 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/groups/sunday-school/forum/topic/sunday-school-september-23rd-2018/page/2/#post-24214</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2018 22:47:16 +0000</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:32:27 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>Its not group selection, it can&#8217;t be I should have put <strong>camp</strong> selection!</p>
<p>The individuals in the paper are highly mobile and move between camps. But each camp has a variation in the amount of sharing.</p>
<p>When the individual moved to a new camp. They adopt the new level of sharing.</p>
<p>You can see in the original paper, the geographical  l&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14748"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/sunday-school/forum/topic/sunday-school-september-23rd-2018/page/2/#post-24210" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 23rd 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Simon,</p>
<p>I was thinking this, after reading Regs post &amp; article link.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.sciencenews.org/article/way-hunter-gatherers-share-food-shows-how-cooperation-evolved" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.sciencenews.org/article/way-hunter-gatherers-share-food-shows-how-cooperation-evolved</a><br />
This study shows that in a highly mobile population, it is the group norm or culture that sets the level of sharing. (as well as fixed disposition nature )<br />
Its  not just kin&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14744"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/sunday-school/forum/topic/sunday-school-september-23rd-2018/#post-24207" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:04:25 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, </p>
<p>Interesting points there, when I was reading that article about Bayle The Huguenot Philosopher and how he was able to conclude</p>
<p>Atheist can be moral and there are immoral believers also.</p>
<p>I was thinking what is he doing mentally which is different to others around him? Which allowed him to reach that conclusion?</p>
<p>One way in which I think he&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14732"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/14715/#acomment-14732" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2018 15:20:32 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also found this from The Richard Dawkins Foundation.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2018 15:00:21 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Simon by explanation do you mean using science to, explain the phenomena of religion? In naturalistic terms? Without any God?</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t then Daniel Dennett book</p>
<p> Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon is pretty good.</p>
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				<title>Clearsky posted an update in the group Sunday School: Thanks Reg</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:48:52 +0000</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2018 08:46:17 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“It is no stranger for an atheist to live virtuously than it is strange for a Christian to live criminally. We see the latter sort of monster all the time, so why should we think the former is impossible?”</p>
<p><a href="https://thewire.in/history/how-a-huguenot-philosopher-realised-that-atheists-could-be-virtuous" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thewire.in/history/how-a-huguenot-philosopher-realised-that-atheists-could-be-virtuous</a></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Partial Victory!!! in the forum Announcements</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/partial-victory/page/2/#post-24187</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:51:11 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep ! Great song.</p>
<p>Conformably Numb= Opium for the masses?</p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic The Universe Is Not Math; It’s Energy in the forum Science</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/the-universe-is-not-math-its-energy/page/4/#post-24186</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:28:52 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>I think Simon is referring to the research done here. When he is referring to Big God.</p>
<p>The Centre for Human Evolution, University of British Columbia.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="cPRCoczoYu"><p><a href="https://hecc.ubc.ca/" rel="nofollow ugc">Home</a></p></blockquote>
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<p>Anyway its interesting stuff!</p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Partial Victory!!! in the forum Announcements</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:43:46 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I agree, but what practical advice can people give?</p>
<p>As we live in societies  and families &amp; friends of different beliefs. Atheist,  God believer. Even different beliefs about which God?</p>
<p>If certain members of ones family believe in God. But I do not. Does it entail conflict? Always or can we accept a plurality of values?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:22:39 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this when I did Google search</p>
<p>Deuteronomy 4:23-24<br />
IDOLATRY FORBIDDEN<br />
23 &#8220;Take heed to yourselves, lest you forget the covenant of the LORD your God which He made with you, f and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of anything which the LORD your God has forbidden you. 24 &#8220;For g the LORD your God is a consuming fire, h a jealous&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14683"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/partial-victory/#post-24159" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky posted a new activity comment</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2018 09:06:27 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a long but interesting discussion. If your interested there a lot of good stuff on his &#8221; waking up podcasts &#8221;</p>
<p>The most recent one is </p>
<p>#138 &#8211; THE EDGE OF HUMANITY<br />
A Conversation with Yuval Noah Harari</p>
<p>Here is the link.</p>
<p><a href="https://samharris.org/podcast/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://samharris.org/podcast/</a></p>
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				<a href="https://atheistzone.com/members/jakelafort/" rel="nofollow ugc">jakelafort</a> posted an update Clearsky, not sure whether to thank or curse you for that Peterson/Harris victory. It is so painful for me to listen to Peterson. On top of his nonsense which is pathetic he says GAWAD. 			]]></content:encoded>
				
				
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 16th 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/groups/sunday-school/forum/topic/sunday-school-september-16th-2018/#post-24126</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2018 12:39:22 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
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<p>Thanks for your detailed and considered reply, I was analysing your comment below.<br />
“ In practical terms it’s a way for people to even out a periodic lack of availability of food, by having sharing arrangements with neighbours”</p>
<p>I have a basic understanding of proximate &amp; ultimate goals. Hypothesis ( by Prof De Walls ) which you are u&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-14665"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/sunday-school/forum/topic/sunday-school-september-16th-2018/#post-24126" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Clearsky replied to the topic Sunday School September 16th 2018 in the forum Sunday School</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/groups/sunday-school/forum/topic/sunday-school-september-16th-2018/#post-17897</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:35:02 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching this also!</p>
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