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Autumn thanks for that link on Consciousness. Skimmed it. Was much better reading from the horse’s mouth. And i agree it is an interesting hypothesis.

To be honest, I’m not entirely sure I grasp it either. I think I inserted some concepts mostly because the idea was interesting as a thought experiment for me. I vaguely get what the author was going for.

Thank you for your explanation Autumn. I admit I still don’t quite get it, but I’ll keep trying.

It raises the issue of how relational we human beings are in many ways.  I.e., in identity (I exist in the minds of others), in reasoning (I need to explain to others), self-esteem (depends partly on others’ opinions or treatment), and morality…[Read more]

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https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2021.704270/full

Gotta go through Newton before you get to Einstein.

I think you’re misrepresenting what the article states and what it’s attempting to account for. While I’m not that invested in the hypothesis being true or not, it’s an interesting notion.

I reread it.

Yuck. Unsupported conclusions and nonsequiturs are not gonna persuade me. There is a relativistic perspective for everything except for the recent discovery of time crystals. We got that from Einstein. That does nothing to advance or explain consciousness. It is not the lead in. It is not the first step.

Because it would allow researchers to create a more accurate model of where consciousness exists or where the minimum threshold lies. It would provide context to differentiate the cognitive walkers, joggers, and runners based on the event of consciousness rather than assuming a constancy that doesn’t make sense.

Autumn i understand your explanation. I know what you mean. Wait…no WAIT.

There is no way for me to have a handle on your consciousness. How could i know whether i have digested what you intended to convey? Even if i am super acute in metacognition that will not assure me that i know exactly what you mean to convey.

I am not denying and in…[Read more]

I may be straying outside the article a bit, but try to imagine consciousness as a happening rather than an object or a byproduct of objects. That happening—consciousness—is something responsive to its environment, so as it continually responds and builds itself, it’s shaping itself.

Now imagine a process such as running 10km/h (yeah, I am sti…[Read more]

Autumn i agree you have understood the article.

You wrote: In order to measure consciousness, we similarly require that relativistic framework to clock what 110km/h actually means in cognitive terms.

That is the part i can’t come to terms..just does not make sense to me

OK, so I can observe your neural activity while you experience consciousness, but so what? That’s what we do already. You don’t need to be related to through observation in order to be conscious, except by your own brain.

I think the article is taking it one step further stating the way consciousness is patterned and experienced in the individual is relativistic. So even if there are objective mechanisms for how consciousness operates, its actual appearance is relative to how it was shaped in the individual.

In a similar sense, they used movement as an example.…[Read more]

I think the consciousness article makes sense, in that consciousness is subjectively felt and objectively measured. The subjective experience is a process of being measured by one’s own brain. Beyond that, I’m not sure what the implications are.

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

The myth of ‘transgender social contagion’ is steeped in pseudoscience and prejudice.

This actually pairs well with the article on the usefulness of facts. The ROGD study did collect data, and that data does indicate something. The question is, what is it actually measuring? The only thing we know it measures is par…[Read more]

The article makes sense to me. Whether it is correct or not, I’m not in a place to say, but it’s a coherent concept and an interesting one. People in the comments seem really bent out of shape about it though.

I am wondering if any of you read the sunday article about consciousness. If so what is your impression. It strikes me as nonsense. Maybe i need to read it a second time.

I am optimistic there will be a way to decipher our brain block. It is so clear that optimal reasoning in each mind varies in terms of capability. It is also clear that within each of us it varies depending on the topic or issue. Sure we vary in terms of aptitudes but lets say general analytical capability.

However well one reasons there is a…[Read more]