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D replied to the topic Don't believe your lying eyes (Enco) in the forum Politics 3 years, 1 month ago
Then I guess I read Vermont’s laws incorrectly because it seems like they raised the age, required background checks beyond federal laws and enacted a whole slew of new laws on gun control Enco.
https://legislature.vermont.gov/statutes/chapter/13/085
Seems like a shit ton of gun control to me beyond federal legislation. What do I know…I’m not…[Read more]
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D replied to the topic Don't believe your lying eyes (Enco) in the forum Politics 3 years, 1 month ago
Being able to “open carry” is small fish in terms of gun control. Vermont has numerous gun control laws include age restrictions, some licensing, background checks and ability to seize guns. People who advocate for gun control laws do not necessarily say all guns should be banned. It is simply putting reasonable limits on an extremely dangerous…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 17th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoFollowing the verdict, the lawyer who headed the effort trumpeted his victory: “Freedom wins again,” he tweeted. But freedom to what? Freedom to suffer from preventable illnesses. Or to be hospitalized. Or to die. Or to transmit viruses to those who cannot be successfully vaccinated.
This is true. It’s the freedom to drown in bullshit. But freed…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 17th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoReg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
World of Woo: A study into ‘truth relativism’.I think it’s really interesting.
People who believe the truth is subjective and individual are more likely to believe conspiracy theories, and to hold onto their conspiratorial beliefs even when faced with real-world evidence and facts that contradict their con…
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agojakelafort wrote:
As one might expect it is not required of a plaintiff to demonstrate the PARTICULAR harm resulting from the negligence, only that some harm of that nature might ensue.In other words, that they were acting recklessly without due regard to the right thing to do.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoDavis wrote:
No you cannot know what consequences are going to be. You can assume and/or predict but you cannot know. That is an essential motivation for taking deontological ethics seriously.This is true. All we have are: 1) the (joint) goal; 2) tried and trusted methods designed to achieve it. So it is reasonable to rely on the methods, b…[Read more]
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Davis replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoNo you cannot know what consequences are going to be. You can assume and/or predict but you cannot know. That is an essential motivation for taking deontological ethics seriously. You can very likely know the consequences of dropping a large object from a high distance. You cannot know the consequences of lying. There are simply too many unknowns.…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoUnseen wrote:
Narcissism is built on a moral system which asks things like How does this affect me? or Does doing this give my enemy an advantage?I think narcissism is amoral – competitive – seeking “my” benefit – rather than moral – cooperative – seeking “our” benefit.
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoDavis wrote:
I think that all moral systems deal with actions and consequences.We can’t know what consequences are going to be, so we can only act with goals in mind. Moral principles, right actions, are designed to bring about these goals (i.e., mutual benefit). So, they’re good in themselves.
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Davis replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoI think that all moral systems deal with actions and consequences. Consequentialism (a highly problematic approach in my opinion) obviously deals with consequences more. I would not characterise deontological systems as focussing on one more than the other. It is a fairly unique system, quite different to the others in many aspects and it includes…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoIf I am correct, then deontology and virtue ethics deal with the right (actions) while consequentialism deals with the good (desired consequences). Both are important in my opinion, and they’re not separate.
What makes a good ethical system? One that accurately reflects reality (nature), or one that can tell us what to do? Or both?
The et…[Read more]
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Davis replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoDeontological ethical systems (especially some more modern versions of them) of which Kant’s ethical system is an example, is the strongest ethical system there is. While it is not always practical (and no one ever said it isn’t) it demonstrates quite clearly that moral laws are formulated for a reason and breaking them (even in anticipation of it…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoTheEncogitationer wrote:
Deontological theories of ethics such as Kant’s never satisfied me. After all, humans are beings in a Natural Universe with Cause and Effect and are living beings whose acts have consequences and who act upon potential gains and harms to their own life and flourishing and that of others. It is ridiculous to insist that h… -
Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoUnseen wrote:
we should be concerned about acting rationally and in accordance with duty to moral principles.Think about it: It also presupposes a preexisting moral sense.
Kant’s rational moral principles are his Categorical Imperatives. I think he presupposes desirable goals or goods.
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Davis replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoJake, are you comparing being a Muslim with being a Pedophile?
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoBut according to Kant, moral decisions are rational based on the principle of universalisation. If this provides a world where the maxim is possible without the world breaking down in some way – it’s a good decision.
I think it’s intended that if universalisation leads to a contradiction, it’s a rational-morally false move.
However, I see what…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoUnseen wrote:
While Immanuel Kant’s Categorical Imperative is a powerful and influential ethical framework, some critics have pointed out potential challenges and situations where its application can lead to what may seem like absurd or counterintuitive conclusions.It’s an example of something that is logical but not accurate. It doesn’t ma…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoReg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
Kant’s Categorical Imperative.This is a good article explaining Kant’s Categorical Imperative for a beginner (like me).
When we are trying to decide what the morally right thing to do is, what should we take into account? Is it the consequences of the action that matter the most? Or, is it the intentions of the…
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Davis replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoI mean, burning nylon is problematic, unless you are really desperate for a cheap, toxic and short lived high. Though I would say paint thinner might work better?
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Davis replied to the topic Sunday School September 10th 2023 in the forum
Sunday School 3 years, 2 months agoI am not against people having the right to burn books, flags or symbols. But it is obnoxious. If you don’t like the book or flag, throw it out or recycle it. Burning it is pointless hooliganism.
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