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When Chat-GPT gets to use the new Willow quantum chip, it might consider itself to have freewill. 🙂

Ok, Simon, so i understood your viewpoint.

And whether you perceive any freedom or not it is an utterly ignorant position taken by those who posit unfettered free will.

If you have messed with Chat gpt or any other LLM from introduction to now it is remarkable the progress. If it evolves complete independence of human control/programming it…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:

do you suppose the genesis of general intelligence in AI is the one and only way that free will is possible?

I don’t know anything about AI.  I’m talking about living brains.  Free will is limited by influences, restrictions and circumstances.

Simon, do you suppose the genesis of general intelligence in
AI is the one and only way that free will is possible?

Unless i misunderstand your viewpoint free will is limited.

Or is it matter in motion like turtles all the way down?

_Robert_ wrote:

Or maybe we are merely consciously informed of the decision we believe we made, since the brain is just matter and energy,

Maybe it’s matter and energy that has the faculty of free will.

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

What Is Ockham’s Razor?

Ockham’s Razor is a useful way to think, but people try to apply it to moral theory sometimes, where it doesn’t work.  The simpler explanation is not always the better one.

Tumble tumble
Little world
How our
Matter and energy
whirled
Did those rocks
imbue your sense
or is free will
for the dumb
and dense?

Simon Paynton wrote:

Presumably it requires the ability to consciously deliberate between different behavioural options.

Or maybe we are merely consciously informed of the decision we believe we made, since the brain is just matter and energy, like pile of rocks tumbling down a hillside.  One rock bounced left, the other to the right. Did you see that?

jakelafort wrote:

Evolution for instance.

The claim of evolution requires proof.  However, we already have a wealth of supporting evidence for it, including predictive power.

At what point does free will appear? Is it with chimps and gorillas also? Whales?

I’d say it depends on cognitve power, intelligence and flexibility.  So, humans have a l…[Read more]

Simon it is nothing but carping but not all claims have a burden. Evolution for instance. And in legal parlance there are matters that the court will take judicial notice meaning no evidence necessary. But yea we agree for all intents there.

I’d use the word influence too if i wanted to rationalize free will. Read the book if you dear. And…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:

Simon, the starting point for free will, god, or any popular belief puts the burden of proof on the proponent. So if Sapolsky refutes all of the arguments he has won the day.

I’d say that whoever is making a claim, has a burden of proof to prove or demonstrate the truth of that claim.  However, you can’t prove a negative, so…[Read more]

Simon, the starting point for free will, god, or any popular belief puts the burden of proof on the proponent. So if Sapolsky refutes all of the arguments he has won the day.

If i had to give a synopsis of his argument against free will it is that decisions feel free but are actually the result of causes over which we have zero control. He…[Read more]

jakelafort wrote:

His book Determined dispatches every free will argument ever made.

I still haven’t heard any argument in favour of the non-existence of free will apart from “if free will exists, we can’t work it out” – the argument from ignorance.

Robert writes:

It’s almost like some people, like autists have less “free will” due to biological/chemical reasons. A limited set of responses when compared to a plot of typical responses. Unless it’s actually damage to their “free-wheeling, spiritual souls” or something, LOL.

Took the words right out of Sapolsky’ mouth. His book Determined…[Read more]

Looking at the recent murder of an Insurance CEO and the attempts on Trump, it seems that anti-right wing, anti-Trump, anti-conservative young white males know how to buy a gun and pull a trigger. Christian Nationals and Corporate/MAGA officials live in a physically more dangerous world now. Perhaps the proposed “draining of the swamp” cuts to…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

@jakelafort – I’ve been asked it a few times as well. I just don’t fit the picture. My nephew is as autistic as it’s possible to be, apparently. He’s a nice young man. There was a scandal about language boards a few years ago, my nephew faced a lot of cognitive dissonance from professionals who insisted he was an imbecile.

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@jakelafort – I’ve been asked it a few times as well.  I just don’t fit the picture.

My nephew is as autistic as it’s possible to be, apparently.  He’s a nice young man.  There was a scandal about language boards a few years ago, my nephew faced a lot of cognitive dissonance from professionals who insisted he was an imbecile.  This article is shi…[Read more]

Simon, i’ve been asked if i have autism. Other than sensitivity to noises and weirdness with language including speaking backwards i don’t think so. My theory of mind and high empathy along with pig pig sooiee disorganized and untidy ways suggests no.

I had to look up language board. What is your nephew’s diagnosis?

jakelafort wrote:

Hope it wasn’t a Zebco. Fortunes are made on comparitively small investments. I had an uncle who was brilliant but not able to function. As a child he would always go to a brokerage after school. (He dropped out of school before 10th grade) Anyways he had a stock he loved and my dad begged his to buy it. But nobody in his f…

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heatherspoonheim wrote:

Come to think of it – that may apply to me.

I definitely have some autistic traits but I don’t feel I’m on the spectrum.  I don’t feel a shock of recognition when I hear what it is like for people.

I like things to be neat and orderly and I’ve been told (by a boss who didn’t like me) that I’ve got an organised mind.  I’m…[Read more]