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  • #34567

    Unseen
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    A large enough portion of Middle America is pissed off enough. The question is how to make progress without making matters worse, and it may mean putting some cherished goals on the back burner for a while. The Trumpists may be wrong about many things, and they may be driven by hate, but it’s not profitable to risk making them hate more. Why? Because they vote.

    The Future of Trumpism

    The problem isn’t Trump. It’s how readily the Republicans lined up behind him. Not just the run-of-the-mill Republican on the street, but prominent Republicans as well. Clearly, getting what they want is what’s important to them and if it takes a fascist dictator, that turned out to be fine.

    #34568

    jakelafort
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    Unseen,

    I am 7 and 50.

    Sure we can afford to piss em off further. The oppressors get a little sand in their ass latch or on their assy nipples it is not something that will cause me to lose sleep. Besides i am only adamant about the wrongness of the Supreme Court in licking the tit of hate speech. Giving it protection is a foolish consistency.

    #34569

    Unseen
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    Unseen, I am 7 and 50. Sure we can afford to piss em off further. The oppressors get a little sand in their ass latch or on their assy nipples it is not something that will cause me to lose sleep. Besides i am only adamant about the wrongness of the Supreme Court in licking the tit of hate speech. Giving it protection is a foolish consistency.

    Are you sure about that?

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    #34571

    TheEncogitationer
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    Jake,

    I never seen that movie (probably beacuse most movies with Madonna’s name associated with them weren’t so good in quality.)

    I do know that Simon Wilder sounds more lucid drunk than many people do sober.  The law firm that wouldn’t have him at least as a consultant is the real bunch of bums.

    #34572

    TheEncogitationer
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    Davis,

    You forget that Al-Qaeda was footed by the Saudis, so 9/11 was an act of war as well as murder.  By all rights, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan should have been considered the Axis of Evil, with Iraq way down the list of priorities.

    #34573

    TheEncogitationer
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    Davis,

    Do you think you’re saying something that isn’t already obvious to everyone? There is no reason why someone of a protected class wouldn’t be charged for a hate crime against another protected class. Why would they not be? Are you insinuating that a white LGTBQ+ person wouldn’t be charged with a hate crime or hate speech if they beat up a black person and called them the N word just because they are black? Did you think this was a sort of “ahah…gotcha moment”? You’re truly fishing for any excuse you can get to resist these entirely sensible laws.

    Once you reject equal justice before the law for all and accept the premise that some classes are more worthy of protection than others, it’s a luck of the draw how “hate speech” and “hate crime” laws would be enforced.  And remember, someone you support in power will not always be there.  Someone else could enforce these laws in a way you may never have conceived.  This kind of power belongs in the hands of no one.

    #34574

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    This is what you get when “inclusion” goes tribal. When you go from the Melting Pot to the Tossed Salad concept of inclusion, this seems to be what happens.

    I regard myself as a socialist but I’m also a realist. Sometimes what we’d like to work and want to work simply doesn’t and wishing and hoping won’t change things. Some things will just have to wait for the electorate to change. We live in a democracy and trying to shove your politics down the public’s gullet will just result in the kind of resentments we are seeing.

    In a free society, especially a Republic, with divided and balanced powers limited by a Bill of Rights and a culture that respects them, nothing gets shoved down anybody’s gullet.

    Yes, some people will always find someone else to hate and that would be a sad truth in a free society as well.  But with limited government powers and a Bill of Rights, hatemongers would have no way of turning hate into enslavement, pogroms, and genocide.

    You’ll definitely want to turn up the realism dial on Socialism.  Adding tax- and debt-financed “gimmies” on top our existing tax- and debt-financed “gimmies” and laying it on top of a Culture War is a very explosive mix.

    #34575

    Davis
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    You forget that Al-Qaeda was footed by the Saudis, so 9/11 was an act of war as well as murder.

    And I suppose war is also just a case of individuals committing crimes against individuals? Do you ever take a second to ponder what you’re about to say before you say it or is everything an instant “how do I get out of this mess reply”? Was Timothy Nichols also funded by Al Qaida when he blew up the Oklahoma Federal Building? Was that also some how an act of war that yet still conveniently wasn’t more than individuals committing crimes against individuals? Or was that metaphorically AND LEGALLY something more? Would you please stop trying to find excuses and deal with the issues? It’s really tiring discussing something with an obstinate slab of concrete.

    #34576

    Davis
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    Once you reject equal justice before the law for all and accept the premise that some classes are more worthy of protection than others, it’s a luck of the draw how “hate speech” and “hate crime” laws would be enforced.  And remember, someone you support in power will not always be there.  Someone else could enforce these laws in a way you may never have conceived.  This kind of power belongs in the hands of no one.

    So this is yet another one of your typical “hey look over there while I run away responses”. You don’t deal with the text someone took their time to type out in response to your argument. You deflects and throw out another stupid argument. You are incapable of admitting that the point you just made is moot or flawed or doesn’t help your position. You are also a pro at mis-characterising things. The idea that protecting a group of vulnerable marginalised people who historically, currently and demonstrably face a disproportionate amount of injustice in order to bring about actual justice is somehow rejecting “equal justice” is fucking deranged encoginator. You don’t think. You just spat out nonsense.

    #34577

    Do we need to tolerate this hate speech? Is it healthy for society or does it give tacit approval for them to be verbally or physically attacked by their fellow citizens who see themselves as more equal?

     

    #34584

    Unseen
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    Do we need to tolerate this hate speech? Is it healthy for society or does it give tacit approval for them to be verbally or physically attacked by their fellow citizens who see themselves as more equal?

    Yes, to answer your question. And no, too Yes, because it’s not illegal. No, because people can choose not to listen to him and also boycott his sponsors.

    #34604

    TheEncogitationer
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    Reg,

    If Pastor Rick Wiles is calling for listeners to extra-legally and violently remove Dr. Rachel Levine from her office, then this might fall within the realm of incitement to violence or sedition.  The case might even be stronger if listeners and viewers actually tried to do just that.

    Since he is calling her mentally ill, he may also be practicing medicine without a license.  Even licensed practitioners can’t do that publicly with people they’ve never even met.  (There was a case with 1964 Presidential Hopeful Senator Barry Goldwater that involved just such accusations.)

    But in any case, incitement to violence and sedition, medical licensure, and libel and slander do not require hate against so-called “protected classes” to enforce.  So again, no new trick laws are required.

    #34605

    jakelafort
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    Trickery that is what it is!

    The fuckin noive of dem bastards lookin out for perverts, yuden and darkies. Manifest destiny. What is right is right. The natural order of things. Sure 1 percent got 99 percent of the wealth. That is how god wanted it or it wouldn’t be da way it is. And now dese mutha fuckerz wanna censor my outrage at how the Beaners are takin our jobs while the darkies are on welfare cuz none of em will stay with the moo cow he knocks up. I gotta god given right to call a spade a spade. I am sick to death at the privileges that are extended to the monkeys, faggots and kikes.

    I wonder where Enco would have stood on issue of slavery in 1827. No, not really.

    #34608

    Unseen
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    TE, I’ve seen many mental health practitioners speculating about Trump’s mental health and others actually providing diagnoses, including, most famously, his niece.

    #34616

    Unseen
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    In a free society, especially a Republic, with divided and balanced powers limited by a Bill of Rights and a culture that respects them, nothing gets shoved down anybody’s gullet.

    Yeah, because the public can disagree and vote for a demagogue who says he’s going to make the place great again.

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