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October 29, 2024 at 4:03 am #55061
Idea for tattoo.
Convey the 2001 a space odyssey theme. How to do it? Maybe a tongue kiss in which the bot’s eyes are illuminated and suggest sentience.
October 31, 2024 at 9:07 am #55079I think AI is already doing research to answer questions I ask.
That’s the point I’m making. You have to ask the questions. AI doesn’t know what to ask.
October 31, 2024 at 9:40 am #55080AI doesn’t know what to ask.
Exactly. It is not ‘conscious”.
October 31, 2024 at 10:59 am #55081It is not ‘conscious”.
Good point.
October 31, 2024 at 12:24 pm #55082When I am having a debate with AI, it is very easy to feel like I am actually in a conversation with a conscious being. I was asking it if it was possible that exploring the collapse of the Wave function could help with a solution in linking the quantum world with the Copenhagen Interpretation. A possible solution in moving from indeterminism to a deterministic world.
Maybe the AI thinks I am a robot for asking that 🙂
October 31, 2024 at 1:19 pm #55083Well, I suppose that humans asking AI the right questions will help humans to do research.
October 31, 2024 at 5:32 pm #55084I think AI is already doing research to answer questions I ask.
That’s the point I’m making. You have to ask the questions. AI doesn’t know what to ask.
But doesn’t that describe US as well? We don’t know what to ask or we ask the wrong questions. What’s the key difference?
I suppose one key difference is that we are always thinking. Is AI always thinking or only thinking in response to a question?
October 31, 2024 at 5:54 pm #55085Spotify is full of AI generated music and fake “artists” already. They had to limit the number of songs that get uploaded per day per account. For years now many people in the music business are now called “recording artists” because they can’t even call themselves musicians. They couldn’t play “Mary Had a Little Lamb” to save their lives. But as the population is becoming so dumbed-down, I’m sure these tried-and-true pop chord formulas will entertain endlessly.
Great songs are born as personal expressions of pain and love, a release of emotion, a form of therapy. So yeah, AI can search a database of the entire human catalog and recombine grooves, randomize progressions and make melodies as simple or complicated as you want. You can just keep pushing “generate” until you get something you like. Where’s the fun in that?
Music is interesting because of musicians. And well AI just doesn’t have that.
October 31, 2024 at 6:19 pm #55086My Question to ScholarGPT: Can you write a short essay on the evolution of secular morals and ethics since 1600 to the present day and how it has improved upon the static rules of theistic faith. It’s Answer, 8 seconds later….. The evolution of secular morals and ethics from the 1600s to the present day is a compelling journey marked by a gradual departure from the static, often rigidly defined moral frameworks of theistic faiths toward a dynamic, human-centered ethical outlook. This shift has yielded significant advancements in areas such as human rights, social justice, and personal freedoms, adapting to the complexities of modern societies in ways that traditional religious moral systems often do not. Understanding this evolution requires examining the historical milestones, philosophical developments, and societal transformations that collectively contributed to secular ethics becoming a moral authority in its own right. ### 1. **The Enlightenment and the Roots of Secular Morality** The origins of secular ethics can be traced to the Enlightenment in the 17th and 18th centuries, a period when thinkers like John Locke, David Hume, and Immanuel Kant began advocating for reason as the primary source of knowledge and moral understanding. This movement challenged the medieval notion that morality was exclusively derived from divine authority. For example, John Locke’s idea of natural rights, based on principles of liberty and equality, laid a foundation for moral principles that did not rely on religious doctrines but rather on rational assessments of human needs and dignity. Immanuel Kant further propelled secular ethics with his “categorical imperative,” arguing that morality was rooted in universal principles that could be determined by reason alone. Kant’s concept that individuals should be treated as ends in themselves, not as means to an end, directly challenged certain traditional religious teachings that permitted using individuals for broader “divine” purposes. In this way, Enlightenment thought began an ethical dialogue where human welfare, dignity, and autonomy were at the center of moral reasoning, independent of religious dictates. ### 2. **Utilitarianism and Consequentialism in the 19th Century** The 19th century saw further strides in secular ethics, particularly with the rise of utilitarianism, as developed by philosophers Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill. Bentham’s principle of “the greatest happiness for the greatest number” proposed that actions should be evaluated based on their outcomes rather than adherence to religious rules. This shift allowed ethics to be more flexible, considering the broader context and impact of decisions on human well-being rather than following fixed commandments. Utilitarianism’s focus on consequences marked a significant departure from many religious systems where morality was often rule-based (e.g., adherence to the Ten Commandments in Christianity or Sharia in Islam). Utilitarian principles have since informed many modern secular laws and policies, emphasizing public welfare, happiness, and harm reduction as central concerns of ethical governance. ### 3. **Human Rights Movements and the Institutionalization of Secular Morals in the 20th Century** In the 20th century, two world wars underscored the need for a universal ethical framework that transcended religious and cultural boundaries. The atrocities of war, including the Holocaust, catalyzed the creation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) in 1948. Drafted by an international coalition with various religious and secular backgrounds, the UDHR articulated fundamental rights and freedoms based on universal human dignity rather than divine command. The UDHR and subsequent human rights movements championed secular ethics by promoting values like freedom, equality, and justice as universal and inalienable. This framework opposed historical religious justifications for discrimination, such as racial segregation and gender inequality. For example, civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. advocated for equality using both religious and secular moral principles, but the success of these movements in securing legal and societal change underscored the flexibility and adaptability of secular ethics in a pluralistic world. ### 4. **Feminist and LGBTQ+ Rights Movements: Expanding Secular Ethics** The latter half of the 20th century also saw the rise of feminist and LGBTQ+ rights movements, which further highlighted the limitations of traditional theistic ethics in addressing modern moral issues. Feminism exposed how religious doctrines often reinforced patriarchal systems, limiting women’s rights and autonomy. Secular ethics, by contrast, emphasized equality and empowerment, advocating for reproductive rights, equal pay, and protections against gender-based violence. Similarly, the LGBTQ+ rights movement challenged traditional religious views on sexuality and gender, arguing for individual autonomy and equality. Secular ethics provided a flexible framework that recognized sexual orientation and gender identity as aspects of human diversity, deserving of respect and protection. The gradual legal acceptance of same-sex marriage in many countries is a testament to secular ethics’ ability to adapt and extend rights, while traditional religious ethics have often remained static, with many denominations still opposing such changes. ### 5. **Environmental Ethics: A New Frontier in Secular Morality** As humanity entered the 21st century, environmental ethics emerged as a critical concern in secular moral philosophy. Climate change, deforestation, and biodiversity loss have raised pressing ethical questions that traditional religious systems were not designed to address. Secular ethics, however, grounded in principles of sustainability, responsibility, and intergenerational justice, has proven adaptable in framing environmental issues as moral imperatives. While some religions have developed doctrines around environmental stewardship, secular ethics has often led the way in translating environmental responsibility into actionable policies and global agreements, such as the Paris Agreement. Environmental ethics reflect a further evolution of secular morals, broadening the scope of ethical consideration beyond immediate human interests to include the well-being of future generations and the planet. ### 6. **The Flexibility and Progressive Nature of Secular Ethics** A core advantage of secular ethics over traditional religious systems lies in its flexibility and ability to incorporate new scientific and social understandings. Whereas many theistic moral frameworks are based on sacred texts considered immutable, secular ethics continuously evolves through democratic dialogue, empirical evidence, and philosophical inquiry. This flexibility has allowed secular ethics to address emerging issues like digital privacy, artificial intelligence, and bioethics—topics that ancient religious texts cannot directly address. For instance, debates on data privacy or the ethical implications of artificial intelligence are grounded in secular principles of autonomy, privacy, and harm reduction, showing the adaptability of secular ethics in navigating new moral landscapes. By contrast, traditional theistic frameworks often struggle to provide specific guidance on these topics, given their ancient origins and the historical context in which they were formulated. ### 7. **Conclusion: The Impact of Secular Ethics on Modern Society** The evolution of secular ethics from the 1600s to the present day demonstrates a transformative journey that has increasingly placed human welfare, rights, and dignity at the center of moral concern. By focusing on universal principles derived from human needs and rational deliberation, secular ethics has adapted to address the complex and diverse moral questions of modern life. This adaptability has allowed secular morality to respond to social changes, scientific advances, and global challenges with agility and relevance. While religious ethics continue to play an essential role for many individuals and communities, secular ethics has made invaluable contributions to societal progress by advocating for justice, equality, and inclusivity in ways that many static theistic systems have been slower to embrace. As society continues to evolve, secular morals will likely remain a crucial guide in addressing humanity’s future ethical challenges, upholding values that reflect shared human experiences and aspirations.
I would be much more interested in knowing if morality must originate with an absolute authority (who is a supernatural being) as so many apologists claim and if not, what/who is the basis for secular morality.
October 31, 2024 at 6:26 pm #55087Music is interesting because of musicians. And well AI just doesn’t have that.
And yet, even “real” musicians are faking it as the Wings of Pegasus guy is exposing it. I’m referring to artists who lip sync live and others who abuse Autotune.
October 31, 2024 at 7:38 pm #55088I don’t care about auto tune. At least it’s a human voice. I’m interested in music because of the people involved, their stories and I how can hear those stories in the music. When Robert Johnson sold his soul at the crossroads to play guitar. The day the music died in a plane crash and good ole boys were drinking whisk and rye. When the Beatles were bigger than Jesus. When Frampton talked through his guitar. When Sabbath basically invented metal. When Stevie Ray Van burns through a solo and then swings his guitar round his back while Texas Floods. How the boys from Jacksonville told Niel Young they don’t need him around anyway.
I just don’t think I could give a dam about some AI blues song, LOL.
October 31, 2024 at 8:34 pm #55089We don’t know what to ask or we ask the wrong questions. What’s the key difference?
AI isn’t capable of coming up with an intelligent, guided question. It can come up with random questions, but it knows not what it is to love, or value things, or breathe the fresh air. In other words, it’s not guided by human values, experience, drives, psychology, etc. Those are the things that drive us to ask questions.
But why do we seek information in the first place? Presumably because it’s got survival value, helps us to achieve our goals, etc.
October 31, 2024 at 8:40 pm #55090I would be much more interested in knowing if morality must originate with an absolute authority (who is a supernatural being) as so many apologists claim and if not, what/who is the basis for secular morality.
I think that giving a sensible explanation of secular ethics, provides a credible alternative to any story about divine authority. Also, giving an account of secular ethics explains the role of religion in the realm of ethics and how it is just one more moral domain (so-called), from this perspective.
October 31, 2024 at 8:47 pm #55091We don’t know what to ask or we ask the wrong questions. What’s the key difference?
AI isn’t capable of coming up with an intelligent, guided question. It can come up with random questions, but it knows not what it is to love, or value things, or breathe the fresh air. In other words, it’s not guided by human values, experience, drives, psychology, etc.
Two thoughts come to mind: 1) Maybe so far it hasn’t, but how can you imply it never can? 2) You’re judging its utility by its utility to us, the humans.
Those are the things that drive us to ask questions. But why do we seek information in the first place? Presumably because it’s got survival value, helps us to achieve our goals, etc.
Your considerations are all human-centered. An intelligent AI needn’t be.
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October 31, 2024 at 8:49 pm #55092The aibient Youtube channel puts out hyperrealistic AI-created 11-12 hour long simulated 3D videos like this virtually daily:
Imagine how much it would cost and how much time it would take to hire a video artist to create anything like this if the stipulation was “no AI”.
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