How Is Christianity NOT Polytheism?

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    michael17
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    @dave, We hear what you are saying     in art, literature and mainstream Christian beliefs but it does not jive with the original manuscript. Let’s do a thought experiment, what does this verse mean to you:

    Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.-Matt 10:28

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    #24837

    Humans do not have souls.

    #24843

    michael17
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    @Reg You are correct. We do not have souls  as it’s been defined in art, literature and mainstream Christianity. The Greek word that has been rendered soul is nepresh has no spiritual connotation let alone separate from the body. It simply means having the breath of life from God that returns to God. Even plants and animals have the breath of life. But this breath of life  makes your psyche and body alive. Psyche has also been rendered soul. But your Psyche can only become immortal through the rebirth. Your psyche becomes inmortal, but remains naked after you die and joins with Christ. But the unsaved don’t have immortal psyches. Their psyches are destroyed in Gehenna which is Hellfire.

     

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    Michael, my psyche (naked or not) will never join with Christ. That would be my vision of Hell. Do I still get a “second birth” to be told that I am unsaved? Am I going to be somehow corporeally reunited with my body as it was before I died?  Could the unsaved just be allowed to have their psyches burnt in hellfire after their first death? If Christ already knows I am not going to be saved why would he need to give me a “second birth” to tell me I am not getting in to Heaven when I was already dead from my first death. “I brought you back from the dead to tell you that I am going to burn your psyche to death”. Would it not be easier just to introduce himself to me now so I could tell him that I don’t want to get into Heaven? Of course if he already knows this He must be a bit of a sadist to still go through with it. Just kill me once and leave me (the hell) alone after that. If not sit and spin on this! When the music is over just turn out the lights.

    #24851

    PopeBeanie
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    [..] it does not jive with the original manuscript

    That was just a first draft.

    #24916

    michael17
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    @Reg  I apologize for the reply delay. It’s been busy rapping up the year.

    Michael, my psyche (naked or not) will never join with Christ. That would be my vision of Hell. Do I still get a “second birth” to be told that I am unsaved?

    You will be resurrected, the the second birth is reserved for those that believe.  The second birth gives you an immortal psyche.

    Am I going to be somehow corporeally reunited with my body as it was before I died?

    Correct.

    Could the unsaved just be allowed to have their psyches burnt in hellfire after their first death?

    Your life and psyche will be destroyed in Gehenna. It’s not a painless destruction.

    If Christ already knows I am not going to be saved why would he need to give me a “second birth” to tell me I am not getting in to Heaven when I was already dead from my first death.

    You will just be resurrected with your  existing perishable mind set. No naked immortal mind for the unsaved. But those who died with a naked immortal mind will receive and immortal body. 

    “I brought you back from the dead to tell you that I am going to burn your psyche to death”. Would it not be easier just to introduce himself to me now so I could tell him that I don’t want to get into Heaven?

    Scholars have interpreted that  the nephilim shall not rise, the progeny of men and fallen angels. These beings may be responsible for the worldwide polygonal masonry that we are unable to duplicate today. It also has been associated with by inference with a global handwriting that has been found on Easter island Maori  buried deep in ancient sediment and submerged sites in the gulf of  Cambay.  Maybe pre-Noahiac  or pre-Adam. Vedic literature speaks of a lost city with a god-king. It may have been found in the gulf of Cambay, India.

    Of course if he already knows this He must be a bit of a sadist to still go through with it. Just kill me once and leave me (the hell) alone after that. If not sit and spin on this! When the music is over just turn out the lights.

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    #24921

    No problem Michael. I once knew a band called “This Eternal Waiting”. Trying to get them into the van was a lesson in patience.

    Scholars have interpreted….. I am suspicious of any person who has their own private interpretation of prophecy. You know the verse by Peter 🙂

    Am I going to be somehow corporeally reunited with my body as it was before I died?

    Correct.

    I get to keep my tattoos?? My tattoo artist only gave me a 99 year guarantee on my 20 hour back piece!!

    If someone loses a leg at 2 months old and dies a 95, do they get new one? As Julia Sweeney once asked of some  Mormons, “If I have a nose job, do I get to keep the new one that I paid for or get the old one back?”

     

    #24922

    Strega
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    I want to know if there is sex in heaven. Nobody has ever answered me on this one.  I know in Allahs place there’s sex, because of the promise of 72 virgins – although after a while, you’d run out of virgins.  Unless they re-virginate over night. So much to think about. But really, does anyone have any idea if the Christian heaven includes sex?  Because if it doesn’t, eternity is going to seem like a very long time.

    #24924

    Do you think it possible that I could change my ugly face (see avatar) for a new younger one. No point coming back  a tattered coat upon a stick, is there? Not much sex then?

     

    #24925

    Strega
    Moderator

    That’s the question, though. Is there sex in heaven?  Where’s @michael17 when you want him?

    #24929

    I don’t think “Sex in Heaven” is ever mentioned in the Bible or Koran but there is a verse about the saved becoming like angels. Now I know this gorgeous Christian woman and if I were to meet her in Heaven, all feathery like with her finest set of wings on, then I know that I would be thinking about plucking her.

    #26866

    Glen D
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    “But your Psyche can only become immortal through the rebirth. Your psyche becomes inmortal, but remains naked after you die and joins with Christ. But the unsaved don’t have immortal psyches. Their psyches are destroyed in Gehenna which is Hellfire.”

     

    Interesting although unoriginal claims. Of course you can prove them? If you cannot, please don’t waste my time.

    PS: Gehenna ain’t hell. It’s a small valley in Israel were pre monotheist  kings of Judah sacrificed children by fire.. Judaism was not monotheistic until some centuries after the putative exodus. The notion of an eternal hell does not exist in Judaism, that’s a christian invention.

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    The triune god:

    At 12  I asked my chronically Irish catholic Dad to explain the trinity to me because I didn’t understand:  “Shut up,” he explained.

    A few days  later I asked a brother at the Catholic boys school I attended. Quoth he “It’s a mystery of faith, we just believe” ‘ I zipped my lip.

    AT 16 I asked one of the priest at the monastery at which I was on a week end retreat.

    “Here, read some Thomas Aquinas” he said. So I read some St Thomas, and was still unenlightened about the trinity. With no one left to ask, I zipped my lip again. That along with some of the more fatuous Catholic claims led me part company with the church  at 20.

    Some 30 years later I was mildly surprised to realise  I’m an atheist. No dark night of the soul, not even a conscious  decision, just an inevitable conclusion.

    I felt somewhat  justified to learn that both Judaism and Islam reject the triune got as blasphemy.

    I think _Robert_ made reference to the dying and resurrecting god, such as Osiris (who was chopped into pieces and scattered by his brother Seth) Also found in very old fertility cults, referring to the rebirth of spring.

    Christianity contains no new ideas. None.

     

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