I'm a Marxist. Are you? Why/Why not?

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  • #38643

    Unseen
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    @Encogitationer

    Like I said, I was talking about investing in individual stocks. When you invest in funds, well-managed ones rise steadily overall, but the big windfall payday simply doesn’t happen. They are good medium- and long-term investments. However, I think you’ll have to admit that investing in individual stocks—even ones with an excellent track record like Amazon or Apple—is risky. A sudden push for regulation or the imposition of a tariff or a black swan event like the sudden appearance of a competitor with a more attractive product can tank the best stock.

    How was it working for Goodwill?

    Because of my level of education, I was placed in the Books section. This section is different because this store had a huge books section. It is Portland’s headquarters store, the sales area being about as large as a good-sized supermarket and the books allocation is about 15% of the floor space. The books were shelved intelligently into easily 100 distinct categories, and people without a fairly good education would make some basic shelving mistakes.

    People would drive past other Goodwill locations to shop for books at my location and the reason was “Because I can find things here.”

    However, we were not well-liked by management. Compared to what Goodwill makes selling clothing, we were not the most profitable square footage. They thought we spent too much time deciding where to shelve books instead of processing books. Their idea of how things should work is based on how clothing is done: Keep putting stuff on the floor and if it doesn’t sell within 2 weeks, collect it and send it off to the outlet store where inventory is sold by weight.

    We had one of these managements obsessed with Japanese systems, so we were constantly challenged with changes in our workflow. The worst one was to give us individual work stations instead of working together. Put three or four intelligent people in the same place and they will talk. Often, we helped each other deciding how to shelve books, how to categorize them. To management, however, when they see employees talking to each other, they are goofing off. The solved this “problem” by giving us individual workstations, which you can imagine actually hurt our productivity.

    So, we didn’t have the most enlightened management.

    On the other hand, the benefits were kickass. You’d have to work for the likes of Google, probably, to have better benes.

    #38644

    Unseen
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    Unseen, I cannot imagine how stressful it must be to worry about getting a job just so you can have better health coverage. I am though really impressed that your premiums were only $30 after so many complex procedures. That’s what you would have to contribute in many socialised health services in some European countries so that is a whole lot better than I thought it may have been.

    As for goodwill…I have been blown away by how many charity shops there are in Scotland. There are 10 on my street alone, from junk quality to super high end brands with fancy shop interiors. I have bought literally everything I have in my flat in charity shops and love how well they select good functioning stuff. I went to a charity shop last week and asked them if they knew where I could buy a cheap extension chord and they said “I have 20 of them in the back”. She showed them to me, I said how much is this one…she said…uhhhhhhhh…I don’t know…let’s say…1 pound? I said…can I take three? She said…”yeah okay 3 for 2 pounds”. LOL. The addage that Scottish people are cheap is a stereotype with a bit of truth in it.

    America did not always have our largely employer-arranged healthcare system. Here is how the disaster came about.

    Goodwill’s medical benefit is generous and somewhat compensates for working at just above minimum wage. It’s not the only benefit at all. Goodwill benefits included generous dental and vision insurance as well. They even have a domestic abuse benefit, for example, giving a woman (mostly) a period of paid time off if she needs to move out of a bad situation and get situated somewhere else.

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    #38646

    I have a friend who always looks “a million dollars”. She might be in a business suit for her high powered job or in casual wear but everything is smart and “chic”.  When she if finished with them she returns them to the charity shops where she bought them. This way she gets to have new outfits all the time. Everything visible is from a charity shop and her clothing bill is about $150 per year. This is offset by about the same amount because her friends often demand they buy the item from her because “it is too good to give to a charity shop”. If only they knew her secret 🙂

    She does buy her running shoes in a sports store but only “last years model” and only during the sales (as do I).

    I buy a lot of items from these stores too. Crazy not to do so. I have even bought clothes that still had the price tags on them as they were unwanted gifts.

    #38647

    _Robert_
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    And then a lot of the not so good clothes ends up in Accra where much of it becomes a nightmare  despite good intentions.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-12/fast-fashion-turning-parts-ghana-into-toxic-landfill/100358702

    #38649

    Davis
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    Indeed Reg. I cannot believe I could get a Ralph Lauren dress shirt with the price tag still on for £10. When the shops first re-opened, they where giving away months of over-donations for £1. Do you have a place called TJMax in Ireland? A fabulous outlet store.

    The second-hand clothing article is not the slightest bit surprising. That is the magical paradise of the unfettered free market uncontrolled by regulation.

    #38650

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    Speaking of “bedsheet posts,” you’re soaking in it, Madge. 😁

    I don’t deliberately mean to be verbose or drone-y or do it for strategery.  It’s just that there is so much to be said about all the flavors of Socialism, including Marxism, and how little sense any of it makes.  And it has been refuted many times by many people and by events in history and yet still it all persists.

    I’ll endeavor to keep things bite-sized and easy to digest so no one, myself included, gets overwhelmed.

    Speaking of value, both a shovel and three pounds of beef are values, but to whom?  And for what?  How?  Where?  When? And to what degree?  Marx’ Labor Theory of Value just assumes these are universal objective things that apply to every actor in an economy.

     

    #38651

    Unseen
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    Indeed Reg. I cannot believe I could get a Ralph Lauren dress shirt with the price tag still on for £10. When the shops first re-opened, they where giving away months of over-donations for £1. Do you have a place called TJMax in Ireland? A fabulous outlet store. The second-hand clothing article is not the slightest bit surprising. That is the magical paradise of the unfettered free market uncontrolled by regulation.

    I don’t know about other second-hand or consignment stores, but at least at Goodwill, the clothing that comes in the back door goes right out onto the sales floor. It isn’t washed or sanitized in any way. If it clearly looks dubious, it is tossed, but otherwise, in short, be smart and wash or dry clean your clothing purchase before wearing it.

    #38652

    Unseen
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    Unseen, Speaking of “bedsheet posts,” you’re soaking in it, Madge. 😁 I don’t deliberately mean to be verbose or drone-y or do it for strategery. It’s just that there is so much to be said about all the flavors of Socialism, including Marxism, and how little sense any of it makes. And it has been refuted many times by many people and by events in history and yet still it all persists. I’ll endeavor to keep things bite-sized and easy to digest so no one, myself included, gets overwhelmed. Speaking of value, both a shovel and three pounds of beef are values, but to whom? And for what? How? Where? When? And to what degree? Marx’ Labor Theory of Value just assumes these are universal objective things that apply to every actor in an economy.

    No “flavor” of socialism works? That’d be news to the people of Germany, France, Scandinavia, and probably even the UK. None of them are applying for American citizenship (other than the person who maybe married an American, of course).

    I thought I made clear that I don’t think Marx saw labor’s value as expressed in dollars in the marketplace of even usefulness to the end purchaser, but rather as a percentage of the labor exerted to produce a product.

    #38653

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    Unseen,

    Another bite-sized morsel to consider separately: What would Karl Marx, John Rawls, or other Socialists prescribe as “fair” to Lucy after she won the Joe Shlabotnik card?

    Should she have to auction her Joe Shlabotnik card and give the proceeds to Charlie Brown to bail out the busting of his little investment *ahem!* bubble?

    And if we get the whole Peanuts gang involved, should they each get an equal or even intersectional cut of the Joe Shlabotnik take?

    Should Charlie Brown’s Sister Sally get a cut just because she’s a girl and as family is equally as impoverished by Charlie Brown’s bad investment?

    Should Franklin get “reparations?”  Never mind that Franklin is a bright and talented kid in his own right who could yeshiva Linus under the table on The Old Testiment as well as sing, play instruments, and dance, and who would be deeply insulted by an offer of “reparations?”

    And speaking of Linus, should Lucy’s Joe Shlabotnik bonanza go to Linus’ little “Faith-Based Initiative” The Church of The Great Pumpkin, to propagate his pumpkin patch mythology as phony solace to all the kids who get rocks in their Trick-Or-Treat bag?  Both Evangelicals and “Liberation Theologians” would love that kind of trough for feasting on the fruits of others’ good fortune!

    Should Schroeder get a patronage deal out of the Joe Shlabotnik winnings, since his Classical Music isn’t as commercially viable as other genres of music?  And what if the regime demands he play “Der Horst Wessel Lied” or “The Internationale” as a condition of his largess?

    Should Peppermint Patty and Marci get a grant from the Joe Shlabotnik redistribution for their float in the Pride Parade?  (Not that there’s anything wr-o-o-ong with Peppermint Patty and Marci or their Pride Parade float, but, gals, can’t you get your own rolls of Rainbow Plaid Flannel?)

    And should Snoopy and Woodstock get bailouts and lifetime zero-bid contracts from the Pentagon for their failed imaginary Sopwith Camel Airplane Company?

    “What is fair?” indeed.

    • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Correcting spelling and punctuation. No bailouts for me. I'm good
    • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Another spelling correction. Like Free-Market Capitalism, a work in progress
    #38654

    jakelafort
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    What is the distinction between Enco’s political ideology and a theist’s religious ideology?

    God is good. God is great. The bible is inerrant. Heaven is my fate. Capitalism rules. Socialism fools.

    I know of what i speak. I am omniscient.

    #38658

    Do you have a place called TJMax in Ireland?

    Yes (but trading as TKMax here) in my local mall which is only a 10 minute drive away. I am not the person to go shopping with. I tend to go there maybe once a year for clothing. Browsing ? Not a hope in Hell! I go early in the morning knowing exactly what I need. I can usually get it all done and will be home within 90 minutes. The rest of the time I go to Charity shops as there are no crowds.  I do a 3 hour trip to the Perimeter Mall in Atlanta a day or two after Thanksgiving as it is very quiet and can get something different. That to is only a 10 minute drive away. Apart from that I never set foot in them. I think Socrates is quoted as saying something along these lines when asked for his opinion on a new market (agora); Yes, all those shops full of things I will never buy…..

    #38659

    jakelafort
    Participant

    I thought TJ Max went out of business. That damn jingle…you get the max for the minimum at TJ Max….damn earworms

    #38660

    Unseen
    Participant

    Unseen, Unseen, Another bite-sized morsel to consider separately: What would Karl Marx, John Rawls, or other Socialists prescribe as “fair” to Lucy after she won the Joe Shlabotnik card? Should she have to auction her Joe Shlabotnik card and give the proceeds to Charlie Brown to bail out the busting of his little investment *ahem!* bubble? And if we get the whole Peanuts gang involved, should they each get an equal or even intersectional cut of the Joe Shlabotnik take? Should Charlie Brown’s Sister Sally get a cut just because she’s a girl and as family is equally as impoverished by Charlie Brown’s bad investment? Should Franklin get “reparations?” Never mind that Franklin is a bright and talented kid in his own right who could yeshiva Linus under the table on The Old Testiment as well as sing, play instruments, and dance, and who would be deeply insulted by an offer of “reparations?” And speaking of Linus, should Lucy’s Joe Shlabotnik bonanza go to Linus’ little “Faith-Based Initiative” The Church of The Great Pumpkin, to propagate his pumpkin patch mythology as phony solace to all the kids who get rocks in their Trick-Or-Treat bag? Both Evangelicals and “Liberation Theologians” would love that kind of trough for feasting on the fruits of others’ good fortune! Should Schroeder get a patronage deal out of the Joe Shlabotnik winnings, since his Classical Music isn’t as commercially viable as other genres of music? And what if the regime demands he play “Der Horst Wessel Lied” or “The Internationale” as a condition of his largess? Should Peppermint Patty and Marci get a grant from the Joe Shlabotnik redistribution for their float in the Pride Parade? (Not that there’s anything wr-o-o-ong with Peppermint Patty and Marci or their Pride Parade float, but, gals, can’t you get your own rolls of Rainbow Plaid Flannel?) And should Snoopy and Woodstock get bailouts and lifetime zero-bid contracts from the Pentagon for their failed imaginary Sopwith Camel Airplane Company? “What is fair?” indeed.

    Your question is off-topic, though Marx did say “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” but seriously (If Joe needs help from me, tomorrow it may be me needing Joe’s help.). If she won it, it’s hers, except for what taxes she may owe. In a taxation environment, you owe taxes from the start. It’s the governments as you accrue value. Conservatives like to frame it as “They come and take MY money” whereas the taxes never were your money even though they were in your possession. You can have taxes deducted from your paycheck, which is a tacit recognition of that fact. You are earning money that belongs to the government in parallel to the money you earn that belongs to you.

    But that has little to do with a discussion of Marx.

    #38661

    _Robert_
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    Unseen, Unseen, Another bite-sized morsel to consider separately: What would Karl Marx, John Rawls, or other Socialists prescribe as “fair” to Lucy after she won the Joe Shlabotnik card? Should she have to auction her Joe Shlabotnik card and give the proceeds to Charlie Brown to bail out the busting of his little investment *ahem!* bubble? And if we get the whole Peanuts gang involved, should they each get an equal or even intersectional cut of the Joe Shlabotnik take? Should Charlie Brown’s Sister Sally get a cut just because she’s a girl and as family is equally as impoverished by Charlie Brown’s bad investment? Should Franklin get “reparations?” Never mind that Franklin is a bright and talented kid in his own right who could yeshiva Linus under the table on The Old Testiment as well as sing, play instruments, and dance, and who would be deeply insulted by an offer of “reparations?” And speaking of Linus, should Lucy’s Joe Shlabotnik bonanza go to Linus’ little “Faith-Based Initiative” The Church of The Great Pumpkin, to propagate his pumpkin patch mythology as phony solace to all the kids who get rocks in their Trick-Or-Treat bag? Both Evangelicals and “Liberation Theologians” would love that kind of trough for feasting on the fruits of others’ good fortune! Should Schroeder get a patronage deal out of the Joe Shlabotnik winnings, since his Classical Music isn’t as commercially viable as other genres of music? And what if the regime demands he play “Der Horst Wessel Lied” or “The Internationale” as a condition of his largess? Should Peppermint Patty and Marci get a grant from the Joe Shlabotnik redistribution for their float in the Pride Parade? (Not that there’s anything wr-o-o-ong with Peppermint Patty and Marci or their Pride Parade float, but, gals, can’t you get your own rolls of Rainbow Plaid Flannel?) And should Snoopy and Woodstock get bailouts and lifetime zero-bid contracts from the Pentagon for their failed imaginary Sopwith Camel Airplane Company? “What is fair?” indeed.

    Guess you didn’t hear. Lucy, being the anti mask/vax MAGA fan that she is, has been in the hospital for 2 months. Poor insurance, financially wiped out. Worth Peanuts. The rest of us paying the bill.

    #38662

    _Robert_
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    The is the great ‘merican fall back institution….the ‘go fund me’ page.

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