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  • #29632

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    …that what’s really going on with Trump is a power grab by the religious right. It’s hard to see because Trump is so far from being religious in any admirable sense that it takes one’s breath away, but for the religious right, Trump is their useful idiot. Just feed his greed and he’ll fill the courts with conservative ideolog jurists. Then, the right will get to work establishing Christianity as the de facto, if not de jure, state religion; making abortions almost impossible to get and perhaps making them illegal again; banning porn; restricting freedoms of speech and the press; and suppressing minorities.

    Get ready for a rough ride back to America in the 1950’s!

    Read about it here.

    #29633

    _Robert_
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    Good chance Trump would win a 2nd term if the election was  Jan 1, 2020. The Dems are fractured into a Socialist party, and Same Old, very old party, the Green party, the Bloomberg party, etc, etc.

    #29634

    jakelafort
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    Half of the population would vote for a cantaloupe before they would vote for Trump. You’ve heard, if you had a brain you would be dangerous? Cantaloupes don’t have that problem And they are a nicer shade of orange. Nor will a cantaloupe be a pawn for the religious right or the dictators. So a fractured democratic party may not be the obstacle it ordinarily might be.

    #29635

    _Robert_
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    Half of the population would vote for a cantaloupe

    And Trump would still win. Democrats think abstaining is some sort of vote.

    #29636

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    Wasn’t it Trump who said “I could take a 9mm handgun, shoot a hole in a baby’s head, fuck the bullet wound, and my asshole “Christian” supporters, would STILL  vote for me saying that the baby deserved it.”

    Well, he said something kinda like that.

    #29637

    jakelafort
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    stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody” and not “lose any voters.”

    #29638

    Ivy
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    At first it really astounded me that so many people could truly be so stupid. Then I realized over time that it is not only stupidity but racism. Trump is a reflection of our county and our country is racist. And stupid. He will very likely win again because no one has the backbone to oppose him in the Republican Party and everyone is just along for the ride. No one is really paying attention. I am leaving this country the first chance I get. Good bye and good riddance.

    #29639

    jakelafort
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    Your at first it really astounded me comment is how i used to think of religious people. How in the fuck can something so transparent fool so many?

    But Trump is NOT a reflection of the majority, rather of a frighteningly large minority. The appeal is also to nativism, authoritarianism and conservative religious values. I don’t think he will win unless everything comes up roses for him.

    #29640

    Ivy
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    @jakelafort

    But Trump is NOT a reflection of the majority, rather of a frighteningly large minority.

    I wish that were true.

    #29641

    jakelafort
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    Ivy,

    I am relying on the election, recent polls and the popular support for his impeachment.

    What makes you think there is a majority of support for Trump?

    #29642

    _Robert_
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    The facts are that over the past three years Trump has obliterated alot of the federal regulation (aka “red tape”)  that “hinders” large and small businesses. He has also lowered taxes, pressured the Fed about the cost of money, and pressured allies to pay their share of military defense. He supports local energy production. Equities are all time high and unemployment is at an all time low. It would be a mistake to underestimate how much the business world  loves him and how important a strong economy is to a incumbent president. The wealth gap has grown, but just enough seems to trickle down to small businesses. It is hard to believe but progressives offer much more uncertainty than he does. It is gonna be very difficult to beat him.

    #29643

    jakelafort
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    You bring up some good points Robert.

    As to tax cuts and based on two polls, Americans are aware of massive tax cuts for wealthy but only 17 percent in one poll and 21 in the other realized that there are tax cuts for most Americans. Perception counts more than reality. Stock market is crazy high and that means fat retirements and that is definitely in Trump’s favor. But farmers are pissed off by the tariff war and that is not great for him. Cost of health care is insanely high for those who do not have it through employment. Another negative. Unemployment crazy low but according to Dems real wages are flat.

    We all know that economies have cycles and the bubble could bust. If the bubble bursts before the election he is in trouble. If the impeachment is ongoing at time of election and or the damaging witnesses testify it will be to Trump’s detriment. Also, Trump is liable to come unglued at any time. It seems like the pressure of the impeachment is adding to his stress. Further, the dems will likely make the case that democracy is at stake in this election. That ought to sway some voters.

    Meanwhile it is all going to come down to a few key states. And if i remember Trump’s support of candidates in those critical states during midterms was unavailing. Certainly seems a bad harbinger for him. I think it is far more likely that he will not be elected again.

    #29644

    Ivy
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    @jakelafort

    1. remember: polls are really bullshit.

    2. Two words for you: Electoral College. He is winning in all the right places. The Midwest LOVES him and he can do no wrong. And those farmers who are pissed off at him are NOT saying they would necessarily vote against him. Many of them still rationalize it to where they still think he is the “lesser of two evils” especially if a democratic “socialist” is their other choice. People have drunk a sip of Trump’s tea and even those who hate him as a person rationalize it away with things like the “economy” and “Obamacare” and “job creation.”

    3. don’t kid yourself. The impeachment is only going to distance many people away from the dems because they are getting their news source from outlets that continually state “alternative facts.” And they believe it. Very few people actually understand what’s going on.

    #29645

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    Trump lost the general election by 3,000,000 or so votes. He won in the wacko Electoral College and the GOP is busy ensuring another win there by “purging” voter rolls in ways that largely affect people of color and the poor (who tend to vote Democrat).

    Don’t write Trump off: We may be stuck with him for four more years, during which time the religious right will be consolidating their power.

    #29646

    Ivy
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    XACTLY!

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