So, CNN hosted a Donald Trump town hall

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  • #48295

    PopeBeanie
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    Well, here’s the old pat on the back for being better than most lesser beings. If you want to feel superior to me, go ahead if that’s a good use of your time.

    Umm, thanks Dad!

    But seriously, I’m recently a lot more pissed off about the high percentage of humans who just mindlessly click away on clickbait titles, and watch crap. So like I’m often the only one wearing a mask on the bus, I’m increasingly okay with being honest about other people’s stupid or careless behavior.

    If I touched a nerve, please let me know more directly, like an adult. Like I said, I don’t even bother listening to AOC when she’s in a berating mode, pushing the same thing over and over again as if people didn’t hear it the first, second, or third time.

    #48296

    PopeBeanie
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    I’m sorry I pressed the report button on your post.

    I don’t understand.

    #48297

    PopeBeanie
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    To word my opinion more clearly, if anything, I’m pissed about CNN using their Trump interview as a way to accumulate ammo for their opinionators. It’s not the interview itself that bothers me. It’s the way they, and so much media now, just want to feed the outrage machines.

    And it works.

    #48298

    Unseen
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    To word my opinion more clearly, if anything, I’m pissed about CNN using their Trump interview as a way to accumulate ammo for their opinionators. It’s not the interview itself that bothers me. It’s the way they, and so much media now, just want to feed the outrage machines. And it works.

    That’s weird. It seems almost everyone working at CNN hated the town hall, hated the whole idea of covering the NEWS.

    #48299

    PopeBeanie
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    That’s weird. It seems almost everyone working at CNN hated the town hall, hated the whole idea of covering the NEWS.

    Really, “almost everyone working at CNN”? How did you come up with that conclusion? And would you focus more than on just “workers”, e.g. focus more on programming decision makers?

    Gawd, please don’t ask me to comb for evidence that disputes that kind of claim, because I aim to avoid CNN productions. And I won’t interview the majority of CNN workers. (Did you?) But in case you really want to argue this, if I present an example of CNN milking the town hall story, would you consider supporting your claim?

    #48300


    Participant

    That’s weird. It seems almost everyone working at CNN hated the town hall, hated the whole idea of covering the NEWS.

    It wasn’t news coverage. While it still falls within the realm programming news stations often offer, it’s a bit silly to pretend they hated the idea of covering “NEWS” when it reality this was an event they proposed themselves, not something that happened independently of themselves that they were unwilling to cover. The distinction matters. You can’t just keep presenting dodgy mischaracterizations of things and expect to be taken seriously.

    #48301

    Unseen
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    @autumn

    The news story was Trump’s run for a second term. The town hall was a way to dig into it.

    #48302


    Participant

    The news coverage was when they covered it in the news back when he first made the announcement last year. I am sure there were also stories prior to that announcement as there have been stories since and there will continue to be coverage during his run. While the town hall is news adjacent, pretending like CNN staff objecting to the town hall are objecting to covering the news is silly if not outright disingenuous. Covering the news does not necessitate providing town halls for subjects covered in the news.

    #48303

    Unseen
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    @Popie Baby

    “Really, “almost everyone working at CNN”? How did you come up with that conclusion?”

    #48304

    PopeBeanie
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    @Popie Baby “Really, “almost everyone working at CNN”? How did you come up with that conclusion?”

    @Popie Baby says: OK, because this guy (Saagar?) says so.

    I give up. You win because you made me waste 7 minutes listening for real evidence.

    #48305

    jakelafort
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    I didn’t listen Pope. But sounds like you are describing hearsay. Hearsay is evidence. Its quality varies. Sometimes it is admissible and others it is not.

    #48308

    Unseen
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    #48309

    Unseen
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    @PopieBaby

    CNN employees are lambasting the network for its hour-long town hall Wednesday with former President Donald Trump, where he continued to push false claims about the 2020 election and defended his actions on Jan. 6.

    CNN’s own employees are disparaging the Trump town hall

    #48311

    _Robert_
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    If Trump would have finally conceded the election and apologized for his treasonous behavior; that would have been “newsworthy”. Otherwise, we may as well have had a podcast on the biology of unicorns or the virtues of practicing voodoo.

    #48314

    PopeBeanie
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    @unseen Baby,

    I want you to know that I’m writing the following sincerely, without condescension, mockery, or potentially confusing irony.

    Thank you for the informative Politico article. IMO, it adds great value to your topic. I hope you can bear with me, I did try to keep the following short.

    When taking a Critical Thinking class, I learned some things that I was skeptical of at first, especially wrt to how to interpret the meaning of words and phrases, and how to avoid some of the common poor wordings and fallacies that they may incur. I tended to understand the intention of some writers, even when they sometime expressed it metaphorically or with hyperbole. I thought, at first, that this “Critical Thinking” class focused way too much on English language and American-centrism, and I made my objection clear to my instructor. I was expecting to learn about “more universal” guidelines in critical thinking across humanity, not just wrt what we personally hear and write in English, in America.

    The more months and years that passed after that class, the more I noticed (e.g.) the myriad of common, lazy and exaggerated phrases that people use to express themselves, and also in their attempt to invite conversation. I also noticed increases in hyperbolically written headlines, and of course the rise of their click-baity nature, to the point of how they consistently ignore or trash every reader’s notion of critical thinking, shamelessly employing psychologically designed ways to pander to the masses of people who are so attracted to sensationalism. I became increasingly unsure of what some actually meant to say when they used generalized or hyperbolic language. I think I kinda lost an ability to just give them the benefit of the doubt when they used ambiguous or other unclear language.

    Yes, I usually look down on “news” organizations who design those panderous headline wordings, and content. Yes, I often look down on those people who click on them, while I later realize this isn’t so much about stupid people and their lack of cognitive attempts or abilities, but it’s more about their instinctive attraction to emotionalized topics, especially when those topics are representative of culturally competing groups of people. E.g. Trumpist vs all other politicians; abortionists vs anti-abortionists; masks and vaccines vs their anti; the God fearers/lovers vs the godless. While the high-tech, click-bait/outrage machines amplify this pandering, for profit. It’s more about human nature, and an evolving culture’s inability or unwillingness to have actual, two-way conversations.

    Am I the only one here who choses to avoid click-baity, sensationalistic, mocking-themed, look-down-on-others themed headlines, videos, and posts? What value do they really add? Do they bring people together, or parse them out and separate them more? No, I’m not saying you always do all that, although in this thread, every video you link to except Politico’s does that. Going back to me asking you for evidence to support the statement “It seems almost everyone working at CNN hated the town hall, hated the whole idea of covering the NEWS.“, I’m still not seeing it. Can we just say that you didn’t actually mean that, literally?

    My apologies if I still appear to be theatrically dense (as you called me in a different topic). Maybe I’m really just obsessively focused on what I mentioned above in this post, namely people’s consistent lack of critical thinking  when given options to jump into a click-baity pieces. I admit that I’m more obsessive that most people when it comes to sensationalism and hyperbole, because bad guys use it so often to get their clicks, for personal profit.

    (Finally, I understand that Critical Thinking necessarily couches lessons in the student’s native language because language is so important to thinking itself, and to expression of one’s self. Such lessons must vary, according to the language in which they are taught, due to idioms, cliches, the most commonly understood phrases, and such.)

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