They didn't do it. We did.
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Let’s try this a third time. I didn’t say we did not do it. I said I hope we did. I have seen no evidence.
I’ve not decided either, lacking a verifiable source. I’m doing my part to not waste time on pushing an opinion so strongly on one side. What’s actually lost by admitting “I don’t know”, compared to the cost of strongly encouraging one side over another for the sake of validation of personal opinion?
While it’s still okay to state personal opinion, when it happens repeatedly, my natural inclination is to discount the opinion until enough evidence justifies the opinion. Hersh’s reporting on this is a bonus in this case, but not enough for me. I’ll rely on Occam’s razor if/when it’s absolutely necessary in some critical decisions, e.g. during mass life saving triage during emergencies. Or when I’m deciding whether or not to wear a mask.
I wave an atheist flag, as “ThinkAgnostic” and “AgnosticZone” don’t grab as much attention. But face-to-face I’m still only trying to sell agnosticism, as that’s the only scientifically reasonable point of view.
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PopeBeanie. Reason: removed recommendation of the mask study... it might not be as relevant to today's covid as I expected
So, now I’m an agent of Qanon in addition to Moscow(?).
Well, if throwing Europe (not allies so much as useful pawns on America’s international chessboard) helps to block Putin and opens up a new market, so much the better, right.
Now, Hersh didn’t prove the U.S. did it, but Woodward and Bernstein didn’t prove that Nixon’s reelection was behind Watergate, either.
In both cases, what these prize-winning journalists did was provide the enough of an explanation that an interested Congress could hold hearings and flesh it our OR determine that the proposed facts simply aren’t there and the allegation false. Being vague about it seems suspiciously preferable.
What is stunning is the lack of interest in finding out and the satisfaction with what is a highly dubious official explanation. One that hardly passes the snicker test to anyone who thinks about it.
@Popie Baby
“Russia’s war crimes are worse than our war crimes (or Ukraine’s)” is a pretty sorry excuse for a justification if we did do it.
Whoever, did it committed perhaps the largest and most consequential act of ecological terrorism in history, and if Russia did do it, The White House and Congress would be all over themselves proving it. Their lack of interest, their silence, and the active suppression of discussion behind accusations of “Russian propaganda” is sad.
If there are facts, they are likely knowable. The lack of interest says it all.
Two Irish reps in the European Parliament are speaking out so maybe the people suffering through a hard and expensive winter may be pricking up their ears and developing a thirst for the truth.
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Unseen, Until I see evidence, I’m sticking with my earlier hypothesis, substantiated by expert explanation, that it was Russian incompetence, not any deliberate acts, that created the explosion of the pipeline. Besides, even if it was deliberately exploded, why does everyone discount Ukrainians? The Ukrainians SCUBA-dived in and salvaged weaponry from that ship of Putin’s they sunk, so why couldn’t they equally do undersea sabotage too?
Hersh has to protect his source. What he did was provide details that any government concerned with truth could follow up, if they wanted to know the truth, by simply bringing people in and putting them under oath in front cameras, by the AG appointing a special prosecutor.
Why a prosecutor? Because if the Biden Administration did it, it was almost certainly in breach of constitutional law because foreign policy requires congressional involvement and acts of war require congressional approval.
They don’t because they are afraid it’s true. Or…they KNOW it’s true.
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