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June 28, 2023 at 6:58 pm #48898
_Robert_ParticipantLaws to regulate “amateur” gun manufacturing/printing might even be easy to pass since it hits ‘big guns’ in the wallet.
June 28, 2023 at 7:53 pm #48899
UnseenParticipantLaws to regulate “amateur” gun manufacturing/printing might even be easy to pass since it hits ‘big guns’ in the wallet.
Interesting thought.
June 28, 2023 at 10:25 pm #48902
DavisParticipantGun control (limiting guns to those who are mentally stable, trained, inspected, who have safety measures in place and a good reason to have each different kind of weapon) is effective…works. It simply works. Easily avoided gun accidents and fatalities are lower. Virtually every civilised Western country has gun control to various levels, and gun accidents and deaths are low. Also due to their general policies of tackling the causes of poverty and violence, their death rates are low in general. Being against allowing guns only to those who are mentally stable, trained, inspected and have safety measures in place…endorse pointless death. There is no arguing with the above. Such people should admit that, not all life is precious to them, their love of unlimited gun rights is more precious.
June 29, 2023 at 5:45 am #48906
TheEncogitationerParticipantNoel,
Thank you, your belated brother, and your cousins for all of your service. Keeping politicians looking over their shoulders might just be the ticket to keeping U.S. Citizens such as yourselves from fighting and getting physically and mentally maimed and killed in no-win wars.
I’ve never served, but I always thank and salute those who do. And one doesn’t have to serve to be aware that conflicts are inevitable in life and that knowing yourself and your enemies in strength and weakness is key to surviving and winning those conflicts.
That’s great though. All those kids growing up on farms learning how to responsibly handle a weapon. I’m all for that. Now if we can get you down to the Ravenswoods Houses in Long Island City, NY or Fredrick Douglas Houses in Harlem, New York City. . Let’s get out there and teach those kids “Responsible Gun Handling.” No? No good?
In principle, I see no reason why not teach this anywhere that Citizens need instruction in arms for self-defense. What is your point about these areas in particular?
Here is the question though, do you think that people under 21 years of age living amongst us in GenPop should be allowed to purchase and own semi automatic military style weapons? You know like the Bushmaster XM15-E2S that 20 year old Adam Lanza borrowed from his mother and used to kill 26 people, 20 of them children, in Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut. He was carrying ten magazines with 30 rounds each. Balls of steel that guy had. Charging into an elementary school to do major damage when no one was shooting back at him. If only all those 10 and 12 year olds were taught proper gun safety and handling and had their Sig’s in their backpacks all of that could have been avoided. Too bad none of the teachers weren’t armed. But then again I remember being the bratty kid who tortured some of my teachers. Imagine if they had guns in the class room back then. Mrs. Diamond fighting back tears and reaching for the Glock in her pocket book to get even with that idiot kid who made her cry.
“Semi-automatic” means a weapon that fires one round and one round only for every time the trigger is pulled until the magazine is pulled. “Full-Automatic” means a weapon that continues to fire multiple rounds as long as the trigger is held down. Hopefully, you haven’t forgotten that from your service.
I actually have one solution to problems of school violence that does not involve guns at all: Education, and in particular schooling, should not be compulsory, nor free to the end-user, nor regarded as a “right.”
If schooling is not compulsory, then students who want to learn would not be forced into the same spaces with bullying hoods who don’t.
If schooling were not free to the end-user, then those who spend on it would have the most reason to get the most for their money by seeking out schools, teachers, curricula, and study devices that educate the best.
Also, no guaranteed funds would mean schools, teachers, curricula, and manufacturers of study devices would all have to compete with each other for money of students and their parents, guardians, and other sponsors. (Whoever can master Neural Networking to impart knowledge instantly between humans will be the one to strike the motherlode, both in money and in flourishing humanity in general.)
And if schooling were no longer regarded as a “right,” then there would be actionable expectations of conduct for schoolmasters, teachers, and students alike. The Mrs. Diamonds of the world wouldn’t have to put up with shit from hard-headed punks, who could be easily expelled.
See, not one gun involved here, albeit, people would still need arms for the world outside.
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June 29, 2023 at 11:51 am #48909
NoelParticipantEco, listen it’s really been a blast going back and forth about guns. I haven’t learned anything new other than to ask myself how does the whole Atheist thing pan out with all the god fearing, gun toting, USA!, USA! MAGA’s at the range? Because you love guns as much as they do does being an Atheist get a pass at the local citizen militia meetings and gun clubs?
Oh and thanks for this: ““Semi-automatic” means a weapon that fires one round and one round only for every time the trigger is pulled until the magazine is pulled. “Full-Automatic” means a weapon that continues to fire multiple rounds as long as the trigger is held down. Hopefully, you haven’t forgotten that from your service.
I actually have one solution to problems of school violence that does not involve guns at all: Education, and in particular schooling, should not be compulsory, nor free to the end-user, nor regarded as a “right.”In the Navy I was an ORDINANCE MEN. So I don’t know if you’re being condescending but I know my way around a lot more things that go BOOM than you probably ever will. But nice try.
Good luck in your revolutionary ventures. I hope they don’t pan out because I love democracy’s and since the guys doing the revolutionizing are mostly hard core christian evangelical, batshit crazy, gun toting, racist fucks i don’t want any of what ever the fuck new flavor of facism they are selling.
“I actually have one solution to problems of school violence that does not involve guns at all: Education, and in particular schooling, should not be compulsory, nor free to the end-user, nor regarded as a “right.”
The parents and family members of the thousands of victims of mass shootings would beg to differ after having to go to the morgue to identify the result of an AR-15 shot to their love ones face.
June 29, 2023 at 2:06 pm #48910
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator…..and since the guys doing the revolutionizing are mostly hard core christian evangelical, batshit crazy, gun toting, racist fucks…
Noel – I thought the same! And who said we atheists all think alike 🙂
June 29, 2023 at 2:26 pm #48911
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModeratorWhat has become normal is to hear and read about schoolchildren and firearms in the same paragraph when discussing guns and\or any proposed gun regulations. The children never seem to win when AR-15’s are allowed to be sold to people over the counter, no questions asked. Now that the Republican Party has become the political wing of the NRA and the Christian Racist parties, that is unlikely to change.
It is now normal to hear grown men and women on American television saying that people don’t kill people, guns do and think that is an acceptable explanation of the absurdity and obscenity of the problem. And they look so sincere when doing so, as if they believe such a stupid mantra is profound. And they will keep saying it as they are all bitches of the NRA. There is no way you will pry that money from their greedy dead hands.
June 29, 2023 at 3:22 pm #48912
_Robert_ParticipantLaws are coming even if we are an imperfect democracy. 61 percent of Americans want to ban hi-cap assault weapons. It’s gonna take time, but that asshole, Charlton Heston is dead and his ridiculous gun-sucking demography is dying off as well.
June 29, 2023 at 7:38 pm #48913
UnseenParticipantI think the auto insurance industry doesn’t think of someone as a full adult in terms of acting responsibly until age 24 which is why people under 25 often have to pay a surcharge or higher rate when renting a car.
That’d be a nice age for legal gun ownership.
June 30, 2023 at 3:01 pm #48931
TheEncogitationerParticipantNoel,
Eco, listen it’s really been a blast going back and forth about guns. I haven’t learned anything new other than to ask myself how does the whole Atheist thing pan out with all the god fearing, gun toting, USA!, USA! MAGA’s at the range? Because you love guns as much as they do does being an Atheist get a pass at the local citizen militia meetings and gun clubs?
Freedom, and the right to keep and bear arms which upholds freedom, means that you don’t have to agree with or join anybody or anything. Neat ain’t it?
And Atheism is perfectly cromulent with gun ownership. After all, I’m not the one who evidently thinks that God is coming to the rescue with the Holy Host Cavalry. Nor am I one who thinks that inanimate objects are anthropomorphic and have a life and agency of their own.
In the Navy I was an ORDINANCE MEN. So I don’t know if you’re being condescending but I know my way around a lot more things that go BOOM than you probably ever will. But nice try.
Great! So where where did you take Basic Training?
June 30, 2023 at 3:12 pm #48932
TheEncogitationerParticipantRobert,
Laws to regulate “amateur” gun manufacturing/printing might even be easy to pass since it hits ‘big guns’ in the wallet.
3-D printers build products based on schemata and programming. In a word, information. And this information is not necessarily proprietary nor is it a military secret.
Do you propose to regulate and outlaw this information? That’s what’s called prior restraint and under the First Amendment, that is a no-no.
Would you also support enforcing gun control by repealing the Fourth Amendment prohibition against warrantless search and seizure, as was proposed by Hoplophobic gun control freaks in New York back in the Sixties and Seventies?
The Second Amendment protects all the rest, and rises and falls with the rest as well.
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June 30, 2023 at 3:36 pm #48936
_Robert_ParticipantNew Jersey has taken the lead. Face it, every state and possibly the Feds will move to regulate these guns in various ways as the killings begin to mount. Tracing (and detecting) guns is a huge part of capturing gun wielding shitheads and law enforcement will be all over this. There are many ways to deal with this from the digital level on down to possession.
In June, Attorney General Grewal issued a cease and desist letter to companies that produce blueprints for ghost guns and joined like-minded Attorneys General from around the country in the successful effort to block the release of those blueprints.
“Printable guns and ghost guns put the safety of our residents and our law enforcement officers at risk, because they give anyone—even terrorists, felons, or domestic abusers—access to an untraceable gun,” said Attorney General Grewal. “I took a stand this summer against individuals attempting both to post codes for 3D printable guns online and sell ghost guns into our state. That’s why as New Jersey’s chief law enforcement officer, I’m proud to stand with Governor Murphy and the Legislature as they give law enforcement additional tools to rid our streets of these dangerous weapons.”
The ghost gun bill passed the Legislature by a significant margin, with only five members from either chamber opposing the measure.
https://nj.gov/governor/news/news/562018/approved/20181108b.shtml
All “information” is not the same.
June 30, 2023 at 3:38 pm #48937
TheEncogitationerParticipantNoel and Reg,
…..and since the guys doing the revolutionizing are mostly hard core christian evangelical, batshit crazy, gun toting, racist fucks…
Noel – I thought the same! And who said we atheists all think alike 🙂
The aforementioned “hard core christian evangelical, batshit crazy, gun toting, racist fucks” would reconsider if a dissenter use a gun to defend themselves against their predations upon our rights.
Groupthink is not a good survival trait, especially when the thought runs at odds with a reality that is at odds with survival and flourishing.
June 30, 2023 at 8:48 pm #48940
TheEncogitationerParticipantRobert,
Soooo…Does this New Joisey “cease and desist” order include CD-ROMs and hard copy books on weapons, including ones made available to the public by the U.S. Military itself? That simply will not fly under the First Amendment.
And I see the presumption of innocence, the burden of proof, and due process aren’t your strong suits. Always great to see people tip their hands and show their cards. 😎😁
June 30, 2023 at 9:46 pm #48942
UnseenParticipantSince you didn’t see fit to respond before, Enco, I’ll repost it:
@Enco
The difference between Russia and China and true democracies is free and fair elections.
When matters are handled by guns rather than elections, then one has to hope that those with the guns aren’t worse than the standing government.
Democracy, contrary to the poppycock you believe, is based on a free and fair process to which everyone subscribes and defers. Government by whoever can bring the most guns to the party cannot result in democracy.
Trump was basically threatening us with an armed rebellion by all the nation’s gun-huggers. Do you really think the result of such a revolt would have been a good thing?
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