This is war

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@jakelafort

There are WAY too many other moving parts to that entire story I could not possibly write on a forum for you to understand the whole picture. It was not ONLY what happened on the plane. It was a series of many events over the course of my entire life….

It’s not even close to the same thing.

Dont worry I plan to write a book about it someday lol.

 

[Strega]

Kim Jong Un has nuclear weapons. This is not because of Trump.  Kim Jong Un has been building his nuclear capacity since the 90s. No diplomatic solution has curtailed this.  At this point, Kim Jong Un has the ability to discharge a nuclear weapon, AND to sell nuclear weapons to ISI and any other terrorist organization.  Now what?

Oddly, since Trump comes across as a bit insane, he’s probably the only ‘leader’ in the western world that would actually sound credible when he threatens nuclear action.

Walking quietly and carrying a big stick only works if people actually believe you would use the stick.  People have become complacent.  Trump is waving the stick, and because of his erratic sanity, people are waking up to the fact that the stick may well be used.

Whereas I despise Trump and his behaviours, in this instance I’d like to challenge you to offer an alternative solution to resolve the problem.

[notSimple]

Strega

I basically agree.  The groundwork for this crisis was laid by the past 3 presidents who figured that by playing nice, he would come on board.

Obama made big mistake in Syria, by threatening Assad with serious consequences for using poison gas. He used it and nothing happened. Even though the ‘miniature’ nuke is just being confirmed now, apparently it was known by US intelligence back in 2013.  The administration denied it then, apparently because to admit it would have required strong action, which they didn’t want to do. So here we are 4 years later, with NK having better technology, and being supported partly by Iran who got out from under the restrictions.

Quite a mess.

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Then again….maybe it will be tomorrow lol

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/10/politics/trump-north-korea/index.html

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Oddly, since Trump comes across as a bit insane, he’s probably the only ‘leader’ in the western world that would actually sound credible when he threatens nuclear action.

Believe every word he says

[Strega]

Belle, I do think he would press the button.  The whole world believes he would press the button.  That’s the point, isn’t it?  My question to you, is what do you think would be a valid alternative strategy?

[jakelafort]

If this site represents god’s handiwork i am not impressed…

Ok Belle, can’t say i did not attempt to open your eyes.

As to N. Korea how bout we discover who wants to assassinate the guy and support the insurgency and coup? There have to be many malcontents who fail to act based on fear and security of Kim.  And if this is done insure that another dictator does not replace the current dictator.

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Belle, I do think he would press the button. The whole world believes he would press the button. That’s the point, isn’t it? My question to you, is what do you think would be a valid alternative strategy?

It’s too late for any alternative strategy. We are going to war

[notSimple]

Negotiations are not about truth, they’re about who will back down.

[Strega]

When did it become ‘too late’ Belle?  When do you think we went wrong and what should we have done differently?

[notSimple]

One may not like Trump’s policies, but one does not make billions in international real estate by being a poor negotiator.

He needed to provide a way for China to save face, and it looks like China (who is not happy about a nuclear NK) is willing to play along and step aside

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-warns-north-korea-youre-on-your-own-if-you-go-after-the-us/2017/08/11/a01a4396-7e68-11e7-9026-4a0a64977c92_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_chinankorea-511am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.89a0a286fbce

Incidently, after Trump’s first remarks, NK stopped using the term nuclear in its threats to strike. One suspects this is not accidental.

[Strega]

In any event, I don’t believe this will lead to a world war – I do think it’s possible that we have a contained war, but China has already stated that that if North Korea initiate aggression against the USA, and the USA retaliates, they will remain neutral.

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RE: When did it become ‘too late’ Belle? When do you think we went wrong and what should we have done differently?

When we elected Donald Trump as the nominee. He is THE reason this war is going to happen. I saw it coming months ago.

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One may not like Trump’s policies, but one does not make billions in international real estate by being a poor negotiator.

This attitude is a huge part of the problem. Too many people have bought into the notion that “Money equals good leadership.” NO. Many MANY psychopaths are CEO’s. Does that mean they should be President? We stupidly think he is all “self-made.”….

He is not.

Look at where his money has REALLY come from and you’ll see what he’s really made of.

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In any event, I don’t believe this will lead to a world war – I do think it’s possible that we have a contained war, but China has already stated that that if North Korea initiate aggression against the USA, and the USA retaliates, they will remain neutral.

What no one sees is that Russia is poised to attack as well. That is how this is going to become a world war. They are already playing with us right under our noses.

Trump has played right into the hands of every foreign power that wants to take us out and burnt bridges with our ally’s….In a way that is pretty irreversible as long as he is in power.

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