Use of the term People of Color (POC)

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    Simon Paynton
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    Interesting

    #38510

    jakelafort
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    Yeah Pope i mentioned that google graph. It is pretty cool. I took the liberty of inserting the worst racist term for Blacks. Turns out that since 1980 nigger and people of color are mirroring each other. The spike after 1800 in POC usage makes sense since we know the Haitian revolution ended in 1804 and French referred to their color added biracial kids as POC. And as i mentioned earlier POC was used in statutes both for Jim Crow and the ACT ending the Atlantic Slave Trade. 1808 (just importation otherwise status quo) But i also recall reading how some Blacks chose the term POC after the civil war and yet the usage was minimal. It is hard to say the cause and effect relationship between the simultaneous spikes in POC and Nigger.

    #38566

    PopeBeanie
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    While looking for a professional mental health event unrelated to PoC, I accidentally ran into this item:

    people of color support group

    #38567

    jakelafort
    Participant

    That is it. Too modest. You are the gumshoe Pope whose parameters lack scope.

    I shall take the liberty of hitting em with NCAP. (no color added people) For good measure lets add PIAPOC.U (People identified as people of color UNJUSTLY)

    #38581

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    You are the gumshoe Pope whose parameters lack scope.

    Oh no! I specifically mentioned that I was not looking for these things (except for the Amazon book list), but I’m accidentally noticing references to PoC in everyday language. I do not call myself a gumshoe, but if you’re impressed with that label, it’s fine. You got “Pope” right.

    Anyway, minor diversion dispensed with, I actually came back here to say that I finally asked my therapist what she thinks about the PoC label, as I said I would. She doesn’t like it because it wraps too many minorities and Low SES into one disparate group. We had a fairly long and exciting discussion about it, and I now understand there is such thing as the acceptable label “People of Low SES”.

    I’ll give up on our argument, after this, while still believing that the trend is for the long term evolution of language to make this issue moot as so-called PoC take over ownership of the moniker in daily usage. I will continue to respect their new ownership of it, while at the same time I’ll not be upset with the imperfection of it not being explicitly precise about all the possible shades of color in people. It’s strange to me that “black” is okay, e.g. for Obama, even when he’s half white. I mean come on, even “white” people are not purely white. It’s the concept of injustice as historically perpetrated by the White Man that matters more than splitting hairs about actual colors. These terms in common usage just aren’t perfect, and never have been.

    (SES = Socio-Economic Status.)

    (OMG, yet another related coinkidink I wasn’t looking for… PBS News Hour is reporting how millions of Americans are checking off different boxes than they used to on census forms, so statistics on race/color are kind of a mess now. Lots of mixing going on out there, and political redistricting is getting a taste of demographic chaos.)

    #38594

    jakelafort
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    Hey Pope, I wonder if your therapist reached her conclusion after being influenced by others. The articles i read critiquing the term had her reason as the predominant one. And i get it. The greater inclusion diminishes the sense of identity that comes with the label. The broadening and greater inclusion in the label only fortifies my contention that the term POC has zero meaning unless it is juxtaposed against the originators of the term as there is no rational basis to exclude Whites.

    No matter how it is sliced POC is an explicit adoption of the perspective of racists and concomitantly of inferiority. There is no way people who were once described as Stupid People ameliorate their status by the label People of Stupid. Or fill in the transition with whichever epithet. My idea NCAP (No Color Added People) addresses the racism inherent in colored and says fuck you. That is a label that one can stomach without the baggage of racism past. I don’t think POC is similar to blacks who use the word Nigger or Nigga to diminish its sting.

    Obama being perceived almost universally as Black came as no surprise to me. Me half Jewish and half Irish/French was always known as Jewish even by my friends. If a person is Half Native American and half White they’re known as Indian or Native American. The perceived bad part gets the headlines.

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    Simon Paynton
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    The perceived bad part gets the headlines.

    I don’t think it’s necessarily perceived as bad – just “non-standard”, which is often the same thing.

    #38596

    jakelafort
    Participant

    Ok Simon that is probably fair.

    Lets say it is the colored in part that takes precedence. Not only does the nonstandard get the label but it swallows the standard and negates it.

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