Use of the term People of Color (POC)
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November 12, 2023 at 12:36 am #51286
You pronounce Latinx to rhyme with “sphinx,” right?
I believe it’s pronounced as the letter ‘X’ as you would in x-ray.
We should do what we often do: default to the male term. We use “man” to represent mankind.
That’s what is currently done and one of the reasons people want to do away with defaulting to Latino. One of the other reasons is to have a term for non-binary people.
That said, etymologically ‘man’ as in ‘mankind’ is a gender neutral term. The words for ‘man’ and ‘woman’ were ‘wer’ and ‘wyf’ respectively. Somehow we ended up with the compound women (wif-man) but not an analogous ‘wer-man’ compound.
Question: Are we supposed (according to the supposers) to jump ahead of the Spanish/Portuguese-speaking community and adopt these strange and unfamiliar modes of speaking even before they adopt them?
If you want to show solidarity or consideration for people working toward change and the reasons they are doing it, sure, that’s one way to go.
November 12, 2023 at 1:34 am #51287You pronounce Latinx to rhyme with “sphinx,” right?
I believe it’s pronounced as the letter ‘X’ as you would in x-ray.
We should do what we often do: default to the male term. We use “man” to represent mankind.
That’s what is currently done and one of the reasons people want to do away with defaulting to Latino. One of the other reasons is to have a term for non-binary people. That said, etymologically ‘man’ as in ‘mankind’ is a gender neutral term. The words for ‘man’ and ‘woman’ were ‘wer’ and ‘wyf’ respectively. Somehow we ended up with the compound women (wif-man) but not an analogous ‘wer-man’ compound.
Singling people out strikes me as less inclusive than using one term for all. Or, maybe we should go in the other direction to be even more granularly inclusive. A term for elderly queers, prematurely balding black men, another one for unmarried Pacific islanders. Which direction seems less insane?
Question: Are we supposed (according to the supposers) to jump ahead of the Spanish/Portuguese-speaking community and adopt these strange and unfamiliar modes of speaking even before they adopt them?
If you want to show solidarity or consideration for people working toward change and the reasons they are doing it, sure, that’s one way to go.
Yeah, because we know better, right?
Maybe we should all go home and let language evolve naturally. We adopted “Ms.” when it turned out most women thought it was a good thing. (We even gave them the period after Ms, for which there’s no reason other than because Mr. has one. You see, Ms. isn’t an abbreviation for anything or the short form of some other word. It was an invention.)
November 12, 2023 at 1:49 am #51288Singling people out strikes me as less inclusive than using one term for all. Or, maybe we should go in the other direction to be even more granularly inclusive.
I am not sure what you mean. ‘Latine’ doesn’t single people out any more than ‘Latino’.
A term for elderly queers…
Pretty sure the number of terms to describe the different flavours of gay and queer would blow your mind.
Yeah, because we know better, right?
No. Because we can be responsive to the initiative of people who are part of that culture. I can also recognize feminism and recognition of non-binary people independent of this specific language issue. It’s not my job to tell people who speak, Spanish, French, German, Italian (etc.) how to address the issue; however, for those who take it upon themselves to do so, I can follow their lead.
November 12, 2023 at 2:15 am #51289If honest mistakes with any pronoun ‘triggers’ someone to become angry, my new pronoun for them is the adjective “asshole”. Reasonable accommodation is the glue of society. I have had non-binary bandmates and after a short while I got used to using their pronouns. My Cuban friend hates when people call him a Mexican, lol but otherwise he usually calls himself Hispanic. I prefer “great white master of the patriarch” myself but there is never room to fill that out on forms.
November 12, 2023 at 2:25 am #51290If honest mistakes with any pronoun ‘triggers’ someone to become angry, my new pronoun for them is the adjective “asshole”.
‘Asshole’ is a proper noun. This is also weirdly thin-skinned of you*.
*edit: the comment in this thread. I mean, if this were the subject of the conversation or a thing that was actually happening to you, whatever. But to go out of your way to make a point about how a non-binary person might wrong you so you can make a cheap pronoun joke… seriously, wtf?
November 12, 2023 at 3:24 am #51291I propose POD for Muslims.
Just when I thought I could get away from the vile bigotry of the last thread, its ugliness resurfaces. Not sure I want to be part of this forum anymore if every thread is going to be a discussion thread spreading and cheerleading bigotry.
November 12, 2023 at 5:06 am #51292Presenter of strategy
Positivity obligation surety
Promulgator of solutions
Potentate of sagacity
Pangloss operative slayer
Prince of secularismYour turn.
November 12, 2023 at 5:13 am #51293Prejudiced old slimeball.
November 12, 2023 at 5:32 am #51294Prakriti ombudsman statistician
Pacified ossification savage
Pensive opportunity salesperson
Professional operating solver
Passed over SocratesNovember 12, 2023 at 5:52 am #51295@ Anybody here
Explain to me how developing unique terms to supplant the familiar ones is inclusive rather than divisive. It feels like relegating people to boxes (categories), each with their own highly specific terms, is hardly inclusive. “You’re not one of us, the majority white folks You’ve got your own category now. You’re a latinx. Feel you’re part of the club now?”
November 12, 2023 at 6:18 am #51296@ Anybody here Explain to me how developing unique terms to supplant the familiar ones is inclusive rather than divisive.
It’s not a unique term. The terms Latina and Latino exist as the masculine and feminine forms prior to the creation of Latinx and Latine. Both ‘Latinx’ and ‘Latine’ were patterned off of pre-existing language trends for making terms gender-neutral. To my understanding, ‘Latinx’ gets more criticism because the language trend it borrowed from is predominately English while the latter is more consistent with Spanish language patterns and is more intuitive to read and pronounce.
“You’re not one of us, the majority white folks You’ve got your own category now. You’re a latinx. Feel you’re part of the club now?”
Latinx and Latine didn’t create a new category. The term ‘Latino’ has existed for a long time in reference to Latin American people. It doesn’t exclude people from any other group to which they may also belong. The switch to a gender-neutral variant addresses two issues:
1) Some people view defaulting to the masculine form for the collective noun as sexist.
2) Non-binary people lacked a term that wasn’t gendered.
The conjugation to a gender-neutral term is inclusive on both counts. Whether it is necessary in case 1 is not something I can weigh in on, yet I can be responsive to those making the case for change (just as I could refuse to do so).
November 12, 2023 at 1:00 pm #51299I remember when Asians were as “Oriental” as the furniture. It is amazing how all these race and gender subjects have evolved so fast and have been dissected and analyzed in universities. Gonna take a while for folks in the South and Midwest to catch up, don’t you think? I wonder if even a centrist liberal would even have a chance getting through this course list without getting skewered alive. The HR department at my company was very focused on these subjects to the detriment of processing mundane health insurance problems or paycheck discrepancies. I went a year without my health insurance because they simply failed to send my forms in. Their office was decorated with enough Christmas jangle that had to cost way more than my medical bills which they refused to reimburse. Power to the people (except white males, of course). You would think there would be a bit of study of Islam’s treatment of women. Ooops, they missed that one.
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I should go for a PHD in gender studies and do a dissertation of how Islam has fucked women and queers for centuries, LOL.
November 12, 2023 at 4:10 pm #51302Fellow Unbelievers,
I recently received a survey from a firm contracted by the hospital where I stayed. In addition to questions about the quality of my care, I also was asked about my “Race” and “Ethnicity.”
My reply to both questions was: “I am not interested in stupid prizes, so I am not playing stupid games. My ‘Race’ and ‘Ethnicity’ are irrelevant to my healthcare.”
In retrospect, I should have given an equally witty and pithy reply to the question of whether I was Hispanic. “Since English is a blend of cognates of both Romantic languages–of which Spanish is one–and Germanic languages, all English speakers use some Spanish.” 😁
Maybe one day, sooner than we think, CRISPR can give us the option of chameleon bodies and Google Translate can work in real time as part of the ambience like the Star Trek Universal Translator. We can already change our appearance in online Avatars and on VR programs like Second Life and Skyrim. Maybe those will be real-life features too.
Then we can say to each other, in every tongue from Amharic to Pig Latin to Klingon, while changing pelts and hairstyle while-you-wait: “Remember when people thought this shit actually mattered? Fun times…”
😁🙋🏻♂️🙋♂️🙋🏿♂️🙋🏼♂️🙋🏼♂️🙋🏻♀️🙋🏼♀️🙋🏽♀️🙋🏿♀️November 12, 2023 at 4:39 pm #51303Robert i am sure it is just an oversight. Why tackle the real issues? It is messy and it offends too many in their ranks. Reminds me how on one occasion and one only i wrote a letter to editor. Skeptical Inquirer. Gist was how the hell are you gonna be so legit in challenging fringe and yet so cowardly in omitting God. No response.
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