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[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

@simonpaynton – cooperative breeding is also evolving 🙂

[jakelafort]

Enco, agency, free will and similar notions are not part of Lama. It is as i indicated inheritability of acquired characteristics. In both instances when pondering Lamarck and Darwin change or evolution is dependent on individuals.

I think you misread the giraffe example. There is no disputing that forbears of modern giraffes had shorter necks. The issue is how did that come about. The accepted science is through natural selection. Even after the revitilazation of Lamarck as a possible partial explanation for evolution the long neck of a giraffe is credited to natural selection.

There is no denying the inheritability of epigenetic changes. It is documented and generally accepted. Dutch hunger winter of 1944 is one example. Pregnant Jewish women during holocaust hiding from Germans is another. Thing is mammals have a “reset mechanism” that causes the inheritance of those changes to fade in just a few generations. More primitive creatures like C elegans the epigenetic changes last many more generations.

There is also a (forgot the title) biological mechanism in which beneficial epigenetic changes produce mutations that capture the beneficial epigenetic change. It is likely that Lamarck’s inheritability of acquired was more in play for earliest evolution. Keep in mind the knowledge of genetics when Lamarck was working fell far short of today’s knowledge. Lamarck’s ideas have been substantiated. Teh sowmehow is replaced with know how. The issue is its role in evolution if any. Also keep in mind as a discredited scientific concept scientists for decades avoided it like the plague. Therefore our purview is limited. Sort of parallel to the criminilization of marijuana.

Oh and as an aside there is documentation apart from microbes of insanely fast evolution. Moths during industrial revolution when trees turned black due to pollution made white moths targets. Selection pressure caused very rapid response and produced black moths. There are others as well.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

In both instances when pondering Lamarck and Darwin change or evolution is dependent on individuals.

The genetic mutations that produce Evolution does originate in individual organisms. But there has to be a large enough population of individuals with the same mutation to have a breeding population. And if the mutation assists survival in a specific environment, then the mutation continues through future generations.

Contra to Laura Nyro and Blood, Sweat and Tears, it takes more than one child born for a species to carry on, to carry on.

Even after the revitilazation of Lamarck as a possible partial explanation for evolution the long neck of a giraffe is credited to natural selection.

Still, The article doesn’t show where Lamarckianism explains something that Darwinianism and Mendelianism doesn’t. It’s not parsimonious. You’ll notice in the comments on the article, it brought out the Creationists and other mystics with their own dull razors.

There is no denying the inheritability of epigenetic changes. It is documented and generally accepted. Dutch hunger winter of 1944 is one example. Pregnant Jewish women during holocaust hiding from Germans is another.

I’m not familiar with these particular incidents of epigenetic inheritance. Please explain.

Keep in mind the knowledge of genetics when Lamarck was working fell far short of today’s knowledge.

Gregor Mendel was the first to scientifically study genetics. Before Mendel, genetics was just conjecture from classical Greek scholars of Natural Philosophy. Even then, Mendel’s work was published in an obscure journal Proceedings of the Natural History Society of Brünn and wasn’t studied further until rediscovered in 1900.

Neither Lamarck nor Darwin embraced anything like genetics and in fact both held to a version of inherited acquisition. Darwin’s work explained what Lamarck’s work didn’t and Mendel’s work picked up where Darwin’s work left off.

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[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

Oh and as an aside there is documentation apart from microbes of insanely fast evolution. Moths during industrial revolution when trees turned black due to pollution made white moths targets. Selection pressure caused very rapid response and produced black moths. There are others as well.

You’re right. I forgot about the British moths. Ackshuyally, both black and white moths existed at the same time, but white ones were much more prevalent before Industrial Revolution soot, then the black ones reproduced and prevailed after the soot. No word on the numbers after pollution scrubbers were installed. And no word on West Virginia’s legendary cryptid The Mothman. 😉

[jakelafort]

My response disappeared. I aint doing it again. It was cute funny fresh and substantive. Upon this you can rely. Or in hell may i fry.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

I have troubles with posting too. If I post more than one link or one video, the post won’t go through. I didn’t mean that to rhyme this time.

[TheEncogitationer]

Simon and Reg:

Both child care by the tribe and child care by AI need thorough oversight to insure a good result and really should only be an auxillary and a last resort. It would probably tear my nerves up if I were a parent!

[jakelafort]

This article struck me as funny.

Religion flies you into buildings. Jew hate won’t allow you to land.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-904570

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

I read about that jet today. I thought it was a joke. I think that the Deputy Editor of Jewish News Daniel Sugarman summed it up nicely…

It’s ok, lads, I’m sure you can land a plane in a storm navigating via your much-vaunted superior moral compass.

It’s Civilisation or Barbarism….

[jakelafort]

Decent article Reg.

Bout sums it up.

[jakelafort]

Gave me a chuckle remembering how i used to toy with idea of a trip to the probate court and a hundred dollar bill to change my name to Sugarman. Such a name for a lawyer. Ya wanna fuck with Sugarman? No, ha. Better give him what he wants…

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

Need a good man in your corner? Better call Saul Sugarman.

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

Yet even if you put together all the hardcore Islamist loons and their allies on the braindead European Left, these people still amount to a small minority. How then have they become so seemingly powerful and threatening?

That is from the article I linked above. I recently drove past the US Embassy in Dublin while there was a ‘Pro-Palestine’ demonstration outside. Only about 6 people. I studied them while waiting for the traffic lights to change.  The term ‘useful idiots’ came to mind. They looked clownish. I spotted one who had stopped me previously on the street last year. He was completely clueless about the history of Israel and almost in denial of Oct 7th. And he appeared to be the protest leader…

I know they are a small minority. But they are well funded (probably by Iran or Russia). They have several websites that would appear to be separate entities but they are all one and the same. Most people I talk with are Pro-Israel and if not so open about that, are definitely anti-Hamas. I think I posted the conversation I had with that useful idiot and some girl he was trying to impress. I will search for it as it well describes the intellectual capacity and caliber of man.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake and Reg:

So Taoiseach Michael Martin is willing to exchange the precision of Israeli visual and navigation technology for the Luck O’ the Irish?

Maybe he can have passengers like this or her Muslim equivalent to guide the plane:

I’m just glad that I have never had the need to fly anywhere, especially in the last 25 years! Da Vinci, the Montgolfier Brothers, and the Wright Brothers would all shake their heads in shame at our priorities and our petty, limited horizons!

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

Maybe you could change your name to Burt Sugarman, run an all-night entertainment law firm, and offer a Midnight Special:

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