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[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

I hope Vat-Meat works out well, too, though I wonder if the inputs to grow it would be any different or more complicated than meat raised by regular animal husbandry.

I wonder if Orthodoxers would deem it Kosher if cattle is slaughtered with single non-full-auto shot from an Uzi or a Galil?

[jakelafort]

Reg,

I don’t know of any atheist Popes or do i but certainly have read about atheist preachers. It is a lucrative gig. Might even do some good if the grifter atheist fesses after the fact. Naa. It probably would not.

Your line, i want to make them think for themselves is something i’ve been pondering. AI might be employed to create good thinking habits (was that Simon’s line or something in Better Homes n Gardens?) and do it before bad ones set in. Phones are an extension of ourselves already. AI could be programmed to program us. Give rewards for good thinking and disincentives for bad.

We have shameless indoctrination and pernicious influences on our thinking and morality at every turn. I am at least open to the notion that AI might be used to counter well AI among other negative influences…

[jakelafort]

Enco,

I’ve heard lab grown meat is served in restaurants in Singapore. Still a process that needs to be refined. Carbon emissions will be significantly lower i think. Land requirements obviously far lower. The cells still need food so i guess that and energy are required. How much compared to animal farms? No can say.

Not only would orthodox anything likely oppose lab grown meat many other demographics as well. Orthodoxy is in part about following rituals to a T. Kosher food and halal require ritual killing. Blech.

Vegans who become vegans for ethical reasons like not wanting to be complicit in animal suffering but who like meat presumably will be all over the lab meat. Health nuts should be more enticed than regular meat cuz of not using hormones and probably antibiotics along with controlling type and percent of fat.

Some vegans hate the idea of eating an animal. Period. Lab grown or Bambi is immaterial. Then there are the ‘religious’ vegans who think of honey as being same category as a cow. They obviously won’t be converted. Or deconverted.

And then there is everyday Bob, Bill and Jane. I think it is something many will at first be opposed. Over time it is obviously something that can be adopted by the majority. Particularly if it is part of the solution to warming and diminishing animal cruelty.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

Health nuts should be more enticed than regular meat cuz of not using hormones and probably antibiotics along with controlling type and percent of fat.

This thought has been with me a bit: I saw a package of chicken that boasted it was “Cruelty-Free and Free Range” and simultaneously “Free of Antibiotics”.

Wouldn’t depriving animals of antibiotics put them (and possibly human consumers) at risk for harmful bacterial infections? Wouldn’t it be cruel to both chickens and humans to put them at risk for harmful bacterial infections? And wouldn’t chickens be more likely to be exposed to a greater variety of harmful bacteria if they were “Free Range”?

How “Health Nutty” or “Humane” would that be?

[TheEncogitationer]

Also, isn’t it cruel to have chickens raised “Free Range” where they could be attacked by foxes or snakes or even snatched up whole by birds of prey (e.g falcons, eagles, owls, osprey, etc.) or attacked by ticks, hills of fireants, swarms of bumblebees, yellowjackets, wasps, mosquitoes, fleas, chicken mites, etc., you know, “all things red in tooth and claw”?

[jakelafort]

Still, still, not one goddamn time since i first reported the coffee cup pointing away when microwaving has it pointed towards me. Not even achieved equator. I will take equator. I equate equator as a victory.

See Schecter Poultry v. USA for a very boring constitutional law case that involves cruelty to chickens and the interstate commerce clause.

Free range chicks don’t need antibiotics any more than free range humans do. A few get sick and their immunity fights the barbarian invaders or not. On other hand in the chicken slave ships one gets sick they and it is a death sentence to many without antibiotics.

Keep in mind also that the slave ship chicks who are preemptively antibioticized cause rapid evolution in bacteria. So you know the drill…new antibiotics…new microbes that are resistant…and then perhaps and i assume zoonotic dangers. Also in ingesting chickens raised in hell we ingest their antibiotics so the same dance between microbes and antibiotics takes place causing…

I don’t think there is any comparison in terms of cruelty to chickens between slave ship chicks and free range. Yea in the latter a fox or predator might take a few but their living their best lives. Slave chickens are in chicken hell. I am confident in the following hypothesis. Look at biomarkers of wellness in chickens comparing free range to slave and ….i don’t have to finish that, do i?

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

Still, still, not one goddamn time since i first reported the coffee cup pointing away when microwaving has it pointed towards me. Not even achieved equator. I will take equator. I equate equator as a victory.

Does you microwave have variable speeds on the turntable? Is it an “Internet of Things” thing with controls out of your hands? Those are the only thing I could think of that could cause the problem. 360° is 360° everywhere in the Natural Universe as far as I know.

Free range chicks don’t need antibiotics any more than free range humans do. A few get sick and their immunity fights the barbarian invaders or not. On other hand in the chicken slave ships one gets sick they and it is a death sentence to many without antibiotics.

Here’s where you may be approaching Bobby Brainworm levels of error. Free Range humans need antibiotics, often in multiple batteries of multiple days of doses, for things like pulled teeth and diabetic foot wounds. I’ve had several batteries for both afflictions and may have more in the future. Also, contagion in any place would depend on whether infection is spread by casual contact.

By the bye, Chicken George and many other victims of the Transatlantic slave trade might object to their sufferings put on a par with chickens either in a coup or in the field. Same with modern victims of slavery and human trafficking. Same with Jewish mothers who gave chicken soup to their bubies as “Jewish Penicillin” before being rousted up to die in Auchwitz-Birkenau or other death camps. But of course, PETA and ALF can’t be told that.

[jakelafort]

I don’t know what my microwave does. But i do know if i alter the positioning 180 degrees that should correct for everything.

Well i was mistaken in an assumption. Turns out nonfarmraised chickens are innoculated but not as i had thought with antibiotics. Those are administered only after an outbreak. Pre and probiotics and more sanitary conditions are adopted to save lives to kill lives.

I never argued against nor did i think antibiotics were a no no. Quite the contrary they save lives. But when it is a common cold it is a mistake. Imagine how many lives have been saved thanks to Fleming.

My analogy was not intended to minimize the plight of so many victims of the African Slave Trade nor any other such. It is still a nice analogy.

Save the chickens!

[jakelafort]

*correction

non free range
aka slave ship chickens.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

Keep in mind also that the slave ship chicks who are preemptively antibioticized cause rapid evolution in bacteria. So you know the drill…new antibiotics…new microbes that are resistant…and then perhaps and i assume zoonotic dangers. Also in ingesting chickens raised in hell we ingest their antibiotics so the same dance between microbes and antibiotics takes place causing…

Well, it’s not that antibiotics cause evolution in bacteria. Rather, the bacteria encounter the antibiotic and those bacteria with the genotype and phenotype to resist the antibiotic survive and those bacteria that lack the genotype and phenotype to resist don’t.

Then makers of pharmaceuticals have to switch up and give a new wrinkle to antibiotic formulas to deal with the new bacteria with the resistance to the old antibiotic. And somewhere in the distance, “The Circle of Life” is playing…😎🎹🎼

Save the chickens!

Yes save them from undue suffering, but for those of us who partake, also save them for the freezer, the stew pot, the air fryer and the Rubbermaid containers in the refrigerator.🐔🍗😋

[jakelafort]

Ok wise guy i asked all knowing AI.

Yes, it is fair and accurate to characterize microbes as evolving in response to antibiotics. Antibiotics create a strong selective pressure. Microbes with random genetic mutations that grant resistance survive. They then pass those helpful traits to their offspring, leading to evolutionary adaptation.How Microbial Evolution WorksNatural Selection: Antibiotics kill most vulnerable microbes.Survival of the Fittest: Resistant microbes survive and reproduce.Gene Transfer: Microbes share resistance genes with each other.Population Shift: The overall bacterial population becomes resistant over time.

You like apple chicken?
Yea
How do you like dem apple chickens?

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

All true from the AI, and fighting bacteria, germs, mold, and viruses is a never-ending struggle for man and his domesticated beasts and crops.

I think of apple as more suited to a side dish with pork, but apple and chicken are compatible as well. Orange chicken, snow peas chicken, and cashew chicken are excellent Chinese main courses. And chicken and turkey go great with cranberries during Thanksgiving and the Winter Holidays.

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