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  • September 12, 2022 at 8:28 pm #44525

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    @ysumlin, I’ve seen your passion now, and I really hope this group can see more from you, while I hope you can invite more interactivity in this Forum section that can be presented as a list of topics. I will delete this “Can we keep this going?” topic that I’ve started here, or modify it to your wishes, if you disagree.

    As I mentioned earlier, and I really did not intend to discourage you from posting, all the posts that are submitted to the Home section instead of this Forum section tend to fade away over time, just by the fact that every new post to the Home section pushes down the previous posts and makes them less accessible in the future. It becomes more like an archeological dig to find and read older posts there.

    If you want, you and/or I can copy some of those previous posts in the Home section to this Forum section? In my opinion, it would be worth the work to do this, although I couldn’t do it all by myself. There are a lot of posts there!

    For the sake of perspective and somewhat easier reference, I have done some archeology copying every post from the Home section, and pasted it below. Unfortunately I could only copy/paste in text format, but maybe I can figure out how to copy posts in their original format, if you express your interest to me in this. At least most (if not all) of the links came through.

    Doug Hanlon joined the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers15 days ago
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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkersa month ago
    Recently viewed Who we are: A chronicle of racism in america.

    I recommend it. Thought it very well done. Good history and evokes visceral pain. Also for the conservatives who think everyone in USA has an equal opportunity it might make them think it is not as they imagined.

    I wish there would have been something on the role of Christianity. But hell if Jeffery Robinson had done that it would have caused a negative reaction.

    There is a lesson that is applicable and universal. Don’t be an ideologue. Ideologues are less capable of seeing things clearly. The old sleep of reason produces monsters captures the inherent danger of a departure from the only thing we can begin to count on as a guide. REASON.
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    Reg the Fronkey Farmer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    https://onlysky.media/jpearce/excusing-the-inexcusable/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    https://www.ushmm.org/research/about-the-mandel-center/initiatives/ethics-religion-holocaust/articles-and-resources/christian-persecution-of-jews-over-the-centuries/christian-persecution-of-jews-over-the-centuries
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    The Christianization of Slavery
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/race-human/The-history-of-the-idea-of-race
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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    ysumlin, there is something very wrong with it! It is depraved. It is deplorable. It is reprehensible. It is the worst in human hatred and behavior. I doubt any of us would have a very different reaction to that story. Personally in reading about and observing racism i have often gotten sick to my stomach. Reading about lynchings and seeing pics makes me sick. I have been aghast at racism long before it was the cause it is today.

    And yes there is no doubt that we see different physical characteristics. Obviously shade of skin, noses, butts, legs, lips…

    The provenance or cause of our surface differences is probably irrelevant to the feelings or impressions created in the great majority of observers. Regardless it is a worthy endeavor educating the public as to the mythology of race.

    I have never maintained that a person or group ought to be denied a chosen label. The one i take issue with and have discussed here ad nauseum is people of color. I think it is an obvious demeaning label. But whatever..

    I also have ancestors on my dad’s side who were utterly hosed and the world looked the other way. Lost a bunch of family in the holocaust. And personally experienced antisemitism from German Americans. When i was young i hated Germans. I admit that. Now i don’t hate anyone until i have a reason to do so. You, ysumlin, have blamed Whites today or whatever you want to call them for the acts of their ancestors. That is BS. It doesn’t fly. None of us can be held to account for acts of our ancestors. I have long ago come to the conclusion that humans suck, that the vast majority are mindless followers, and easily led to the most unthinkable evil. Blacks are not any better than Whites. Jews are not any better than Germans. etc. If you want me to start citing acts of Blacks that make ya sick i shall.

    It is also worth pondering how it is that putative inferiority is a justification for oppression. Assuming arguendo Group A of humans is considered to be intellectually inferior to Group B why does it follow that Group B gets to enslave or in some way abuse Group A? So perhaps instead of arguing we are all the same in terms of science ask why humans behave as they do without a good pretext for their behavior? No matter what you do or how you try to educate i am dubious much good will come of it. Humans as a whole suck donkey doo doo.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/feds-reveal-chilling-note-buffalo-151051538.html I think most people here can see nothing is wrong with this? Jakelafort say’s people will see different characteristics in humans, I say there’s none because melanin determines our facial features such as, hair colors, skin colors, nose sizes,lip sizes, eye colors, and hair textures. Don’t believe me look it up. I try to use science as a teaching tool informing us all that we are 99.9% identical from our findings from the latest scientific breakthrough known as The Genome Project and that race is a myth for humans. This is true but I get reprimanded for making people who calls themselves white or caucasian offended which I’m offended because it demeans me and other humans who are not considered as being white. We as Black, Brown, People of Color oe whatever you wish to identify us and yet you feel you have the power to define or to speak for people who is considered as being non white. Scientific Racism was a European Invention and I should not be the one who is speaking out against it, this fight should be by the people who is labeled as being white. I’m 63 years old and all I’ve ever heard was the white race and this still continues to this very day. When Indigenous People like me who had their property vandalized, attacked by white supremacy hate groups, most people who calls themselves white look the other way or pretend nothing is happening. This will continue until people who calls themselves white pick up the fight that I have been trying so hard to end.
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    PopeBeanie replied3 months ago
    @ysumlin I would like to comment here or there on some of your updates, but anything we write here as updates have a short life. The last time I commented is now practically impossible to find, or refer to, as are most of the comments you or anyone else has posted. I didn’t want to start a new topic in the Forum section until I felt you were giving us permission to do so. But Reg, who is often wiser than myself has left a topic there that anyone can read and comment on, unlike most of the updates posted on this page.

    That is ok, and not against any guidelines, so I’m only suggesting that you can make your input more accessible and interactive with your readers if you can instead (or also) add some new posts to new topics in your Forum area. You’ve added SO MUCH to this update page, which is relevant and meaningful, and I think it’s a shame for so much of your work to get lost over time as the page space it once had is lost to newer posts/updates here, on your Home section.
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    PopeBeanie replied3 months ago
    I should have added, in case you don’t remember me mentioning this before, that your Forum section is accessible by clicking on the Forum button that’s above this list of posts/updates (that you’re reading now).

    Or use the following link (which does the exact same thing as clicking on that button):
    https://atheistzone.com/groups/the-african-and-the-indigenous-freethinkers/forum/
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    PopeBeanie replied3 months ago
    Dang, I’m *always* forgetting something or having to go back to a post to fix a typo, and so on. (Which is another thing we cannot do to updates here.) My correction is, I should have said that Reg is *almost always* wiser than me!
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    ysumlin replied3 months ago
    Thanks PopeBeanie.
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    jakelafort replied3 months ago
    ysumlin absolutely nobody will have assumed that you are a proponent of scientific racism!
    I am familiar with the persons cited in that article and another i remember is Madison Grant. Those ideas of scientific racism informed American immigration policy for decades. It also differentiated between groups within Whitedom.
    From my vantage it almost does not make a difference how insupportable rationales for oppression are. Justifications will be fabricated. Oppression is really boiled down to might makes right. As i indicated and i never hear or read anybody on the following point: Even assuming some physical or intellectual edge one group has over another why does it make a difference? What is there that enables you to feel justified in oppressing the group with some perceived inadequacy? The questions answer themselves. Might makes right. The psychology of ingroups also eliminate the sort of personal compunction individuals may have against unjust treatment of others.

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    ysumlin replied3 months ago
    I agree we are all one group of humans and this should be our only label and nothing more.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    https://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/111columbus.html How the European Nations used Christianity as their divine purpose to convert the world to the christian faith.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/what-was-the-first-ever-language/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/keeping-faith-recent-mass-shootings-100045686.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers3 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/christian-nationalism-rise-gop-campaigns-130045365.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago

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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Good article Reg. Well written, concise, logical although origin of Caucasian has been covered by at least 1 link from ysumlin. So i thought i wonder if she has written about people of color. She has. Unfortunately she takes a firm stance on the Swiss fence. The author writes the following: It’s obvious that language shapes how we perceive and see the world. And we know how powerful the concept of race is and how the use of words related to the notion of race has shaped what we call the U.S. racial worldview. So why do we continue using the word “Caucasian”?

    Thus i have a hunch that her POC article is political.

    https://www.sapiens.org/column/race/people-of-color/
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    Reg the Fronkey Farmer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.sapiens.org/column/race/caucasian-terminology-origin/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism How christianity played a role in race science and it still continues today.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/maternal-death-rate-isnt-bad-151729839.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gh2_crusades.htm
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/history-of-Europe/The-Wars-of-Religion
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2013-06-17-ct-met-missionary-abuse-20130617-story.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Leopold-II-king-of-Belgium
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    How Christianity Was Used To Brainwash Africans Into Submission
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/christianity-and-colonialism
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago

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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Congrratulations and Happy Birthday to Johanna Mazibuko, 128-years-young!

    I’m less than half her age and hope we all can get to The Singularity and Transhuman Immortality without her experience of having to eat bugs. 🦗🤮

    Or if we do, let’s hope the Star Trek Replicator can make them taste like Prime Rib, Pork Chops, and Cajun Fried Chicken! 🥩🍖🍗 😁
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspect-accused-opening-fire-asian-160754200.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/indian-american-student-choked-peer-000617630.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-senate-candidates-promote-replacement-160455322.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/
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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    This is an example of White supremacy in action and hope the guy gets hung by the nuts. If a person is aligned with KKK, White Identity, Neo Nazi etc. then it is fair and reasonable to make the sweeping generalizations that ysumlin makes.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/15/us/payton-gendron-buffalo-shooting-suspect-what-we-know/index.html

    However to say all people who identify as White are…fill in the blank calumny is BS.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/before-the-white-race-was-invented/ Something is seriously wrong with people who calls themselves white, there’s no place in modern science today that says skin colors has something to do with a race for humans. Where did this madness come from? Who invented it? It came from Europe and men who called themselves scientist started this concept to justify slavery of non whites. The really sad part of this construct is that the men who invented race, many were thought to be anti racists. If you’re anti racist, why did they invent race? A large majority of humans believe in this concept even though it has been proven time and time again that this concept is false but so many people still see that skin colors represents race. No matter how we try to educate and try denounce this, it’s always the racist people who argues to keep it going, without trying to get a clear understanding of what we are trying to say. You mention white people and they become unhinged and try to justify that they are good humans and that racism lies in the hearts of the people who is trying to teach them that the white race is a lie, it was just something that a dominant society invented and the rest of the world accepted it. Let’s be truly honest the invention of religions and race has caused the greatest atrocities on earth and it continues to do so with the real harsh realities that it is gaining new life everyday. These two evil inventions have hurt all of us, just look at the war between Russia and Ukraine, they all have the same skin colors and yet when Black Humans was trying to flee to safety they were attacked by people who calls themselves white, why? These Black People did nothing to the Ukrainian People, so why would they attack people who did nothing to them? If anything they should have treated them the same as the Ukrainian People with pale skin, maybe some might have stayed to help them fight off the Russian attacks. No white people you are the real problem or stop calling yourselves white, please? Because your white race is one great scam on the human race.

    the-white-race-is-the-cancer-of-human-history-it-is-the-white-race-and-it-alone-its-susan-sontag
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    _Robert_ replied4 months ago
    The article is an eye-opener.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples The history that white people wants us all to forget even though the same thing is still ocuring today. Say what you like to justify your history, but white people are pure evil savages.
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    Davis replied4 months ago
    ysumlin, while you won’t find me disagreeing with the horrors of colonialism and even much of current western policies, white privilege and the brutality of Caucasian nations as well as within nations, this comment of yours is extreme and it is borderline in conflict with two of our guidelines. Please be a little more thoughtful with the way you word your comments that make gross generalisations/attacks of certain groups, keeping the guidelines in mind.

    I would also suggest perhaps posting at most half a dozen links/images a day. This has nothing to do with guidelines, but more to do with increasing the chance people will read and engage with what you post, as a flood of content will likely lead to visitors skimming or even ignoring what a user contributes.
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    ysumlin replied4 months ago
    I’m sorry Davis, I really try to point out that race by skin colors are a social construct and is not real, I hope that my latest post explain this properly. I don’t believe is scientific racism nor religions because they both have caused the greatest harm to the human race. I really get mad at this and I will try to keep my anger in check. Thanks for pointing this out to me.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago

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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Ysumlin, you wrote: What is it with people who calls themselves white? Do they even not understand that the five race category was invented by them?

    People who call themselves White are diverse. To ascribe as you do to an entire group is inaccurate and unjust. It is also inaccurate and unfair to charge contemporaries with the actions of ancestors. It is just wrong.

    Using the term Black people is fine by me because it is on par with White people. But for your purposes in hoping to dispel the lies and myths of race it makes little sense. When people hear Black people it suggests there are White people and other racial groups. You on the other hand want it KNOWN that race is nonexistent and we are all one people. Your term of choice does the opposite. It makes skin color a point of demarcation.

    I think it is a noble objective in seeking to educate the masses about history as it relates to racism and the origins of the concept of race. But it won’t fundamentally solve anything. A deeper examination of history reveals that people in general are easily led and highly tribal. Most of us have an aspect of ourselves that is empathic and compassionate. We have an opposite aspect that is vicious and compatible with oppression. It is no different for people who identify as Black or Asian or any other ethnicity or race. I have a lot of thoughts i could develop but i choose to hold those in abeyance.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/irish-potato-famine. The history that Europeans do not wish to hear. This is the atrocities that led Europeans to travel the world because slums, ghetto’s and extreme poverty were the thresholds of Europe. The illiteracy rate at this time was as high as 99% whereas only 1 out of 10,000 Europeans could read and write. The was a prelude to the period of enlightenment some two millennials. Only the few controlled the mind of the masses and crimes was as high as anyone could imagine since there was no such record keeping of crime statistics during this period of time. The time periods of the 1200 and 1300’s was a nightmare for the people of Europe.

    The Great Famine
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/irish-potato-famine
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.modernghana.com/news/584667/the-philosophy-of-white-supremacy.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/biology-of-race-science-education-20210920.html This is what I do and yet I get challenged everyday by someone who calls themselves white. I’m a scientist and I do my best to correct a mistake used by scientists who invented race. There’s no such thing as red people, white people, brown people, and yes Black People; However I do use the term Black not as a way to reverse this mess, but I use Black People as a way to bring awareness to the demeaning of the people with dark skin. I really see no skin colors for humans to be profoundly honest with myself and you, I do not like the idea of a separate group of humans either. Since we all came from darkly pigmented people from Africa, I use this term “Black People” as a dividing the white race ideologies of wanting to work with them or to be accepted, I wish for no nonsense, I’m their enemy and wish not to work with them nor accept their construct of the race classification that they invented, I wish to remain out rubbish.I wish for them to embrace their Blackness which too me would be saying a lot, since they went out of their ways to demean Blackness. I like Herb Jeffries who embraced his Blackness on screen and later in real life because we was considered as a white man of Italian descent.

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.theroot.com/the-biggest-lie-about-race-that-its-real-1790864995
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.sapiens.org/column/race/biological-race-and-reality/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/racism-killing-planet
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.foxnews.com/story/whites-genetically-weaker-than-blacks-study-finds Fox News and Eugenics how they took science out of contex to make it racial once again. What is it with people who calls themselves white? Do they even not understand that the five race category was invented by them? Why would any other human who is considered to be non white wishes to embrace this? If we agree with this concept we are telling ourselves that the white race is better than all humans on this planet, since we are non-white we should really oppose this race concept rather than to accept it.I do oppose it and will spend my dying days to eradicate it from our planet.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    ‘The white race is the cancer of human history’
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bucks-cancel-game-7-watch-party-after-21-wounded-in-shootings-near-fiserv-forum-204710247.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://news.yahoo.com/man-opened-fire-san-diego-161812108.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall This makes no sense but let’s keep racial hate alive. I’m sorry I can not accept this.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://news.yahoo.com/multiple-people-shot-buffalo-york-193456461.html
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    _Robert_ replied4 months ago
    que up all the thoughts and prayers to blue-eyed jesus from the pro-gun, anti-immigration, christian white nationalists
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Why don’t we keep this race by skin colors thing going so we can just keep killing each other because of it? If you’re like me I’m tired of this race by skin colors and let me add religions to this as well. They are both social constructs and keeps adding calamity after calamity but if I say we are all Black People there’s a problem and yet saying we are all Black Humans on earth has more truths than we are a separate species based on skin colors. I hate white people and Europeans because they have literally fucked up our world and yet these ignorant fools don’t want to be held accountable for their actions even though we all get an overdose of white people in our media from every of media outlets around the world no matter the platforms that they sit on and yet no one has a problem with that. I’m 63 years of age and all I have ever heard was the promotions of the white race and yes, it stills continues even more today. Teaching Critical Race Theory is a problem and yet white kids promoting the Neo Nazi ideologies of hate continues to go unnoticed or condoned. The term People of Color is viewed as a derogatory term to white people and yet they have no problem if people identify all humans on the basis of race science which have been proven as false, but yet white people wants to keep this rubbish alive. Mass shootings based on race is at an all time high since the Trump era and no one is seeing the rise of white supremacy as a threat, but BLM is the problem and yet no mass killings was targeted at the white race accept by white people killing Jewish People who has the same pale skin, I remember when Greeks, Polish, Italians, Irish, Spanish, and other people who had pale skin was not considered as being white. What is the problem with being Black that so many people hate being called, but see no harm with the white race who is continuing to kill us all?

    One Race
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    European Imperialism: How a Tiny Continent Ruled The World

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/lapd-overlooked-3-dead-children-155127149.html
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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Southern Poverty Law Center Maintains $160 Million in Offshore Accounts
    Donations rebound a year after SPLC’s founder was fired for racial discrimination
    https://freebeacon.com/democrats/southern-poverty-law-center-maintains-160-million-in-offshore-accounts/
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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    The Southern Poverty Law Center is Everything That Is Wrong With Liberalism
    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/the-southern-poverty-law-center-is-everything-thats-wrong-with-liberalism
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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Ysumlin,

    You dpost some wonderful,xthought provoking links and I hope you continue to do so. I also hope that one day are species gets past dumb labels for accidents of birth and that we all treat each other as individuals with equal Individual Rights Before The Law and judged only by words and deeds.

    However, you will definitely need to practice due diligance in who you cite. One article you cite comes from The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC.) The people and things that come from The Southern Poverty Law Center are neither Southern nor Legal, nor is the SPLC in poverty.

    The SPLC heads are grifters and con-artists who prosper by legally extorting people who have dubious or no connection to bigotry, who inflate bigotry to be greater than it really is, and who are themselves accused credibly of bigotry and sexual harassment as well. Here are some links on the subject:

    Famous civil rights group suffers from ‘systemic culture of racism and sexism,’ staffers say
    By Nick Valencia and Pamela Kirkland, CNN
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/29/us/splc-leadership-crisis/index.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.hcn.org/articles/indigenous-affairs-pollution-two-southwest-tribes-raise-concerns-over-uranium-storage?utm_source=wcn1&utm_medium=email
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/africa-timeline
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/colonial-america-depended-enslavement-indigenous-people-180957900/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Doctrine of Discovery Facts
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.aucegypt.edu/news/stories/history-mothers-day-ancient-egypt-modern-times
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Ancient History and Mother’s Day The first reference found in history related to Mother’s Day comes from Northern Africa. Egyptians would gather to honor the great goddess Isis, who associate with women and fertility.

    happy-mothers-day
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.sciencealert.com/homo-sapien-species-alone-generalist-specialists-occupying-diverse-ecologies
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/southern-university-cheerleader-dies-suicide-182716469.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://news.yahoo.com/brazils-senate-investigate-alleged-yanomami-220651386.html
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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    I am wondering whether you have a nuanced viewpoint as to racism. Does history and the power dynamic make a difference for you?

    When Blacks hate all Whites is it more justifiable than Whites hating all Blacks? I have noticed a tendency especially on the part of conservatives to lump it all together. Ideally we would avoid all stereotyping and presumed assignment of traits based on race or ethnicity. If you have experienced racism and or you are part of a group that has been victimized it takes some maturity to avoid the kneejerk of hatred. I am not asserting that so called reverse racism is not wrong but from my vantage it is not as wrong as the other.
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    ysumlin replied4 months ago
    We are all one people and this foolishness based on skin colors needs to die immediately. We have all witnessed the atrocities of religions and racial supremacy and it’s high time that we would love to see our planet in the ways of peace, to reveres injustice is still injustice and this is not my message of any such thing. I do not like social order or any form that promotes any form of supremacy because we are all one people living on this one planet and this stupidity or being better than another human being needs to stop and stop now!
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.nationalgeographic.org/article/development-agriculture/ Many people never ask questions but believe in negative stereotyping, let’s use food as an example which really makes no sense at all but just for demonstration purpose we will play around for a second. Agriculture is so young it evolved just some 12,000 to 10,000 years ago but people in Europe started drinking milk and sugars just 8000 years ago before then all humans was lactose intolerance. Cabbage and the greens are pure European but people use greens as a stereotype to demean Black People. Crazy isn’t it?

    Agriculture
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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Ysumlin, I am not sure it is fair to say only Whites are racists. Admittedly when the less powerful despises the powerful and makes assumptions that are applicable to the hated group there is greater justification.

    On the other hand we ought to allow people an opportunity to hate them legitimately without prejudging.

    As far as those hate groups go i think you are mistaken that nobody says a word against them. I despise them and if every one of them dropped dead of a sudden the world would be better for it. I also think it is idiotic to fight for their free speech rights when they clamor for persecution of marginalized. Giving them free speech and free association has dire consequences particularly when conditions in a nation are heading towards fascism.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/white-lives-matter. No one says one word against these dumb stupid idiots, why not? I said it before the only stupid racists people on this planet are the people who calls themselves white, simply because this is the foundation that the white race was built upon is “Scientific Racism”

    whitelivesmatter
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Melanin & Chlorophyll – Similarities and More!
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.nationalgeographic.org/article/their-footsteps-human-migration-out-africa/4th-grade/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    The few surviving Homo sapiens in Africa were said to have survived by developing sophisticated social, symbolic and economic strategies that enabled them to eventually re-expand and populate Asia 60,000 years ago in a single, rapid wave along the Indian Ocean coastline.

    The Toba Eruption
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-03-13/toba-super-volcano-eruption-saw-some-humans-thrive-on-coast/9532938
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/communication-success/202102/10-signs-internalized-racism-and-gaslighting
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.rc.org/publication/uer/InternalizedRacism The only way to free our minds from racism is to reverse our ways of thinking. Racist people will use this language as a defense by thinking that you are going to do to them what they have done to you, but this has nothing to do with people, it has every thing to do with your personal ways of thinking. If you believe that skin colors represent race for humans, then you believe in the construct and therefore you yourself is keeping racist ideologies alive. If you do not believe in the concept then you are reversing your train of thought to not see skin colors to identifying other humans based on skin colors, this makes you an anti racist who is fighting against the concept of race. Titles is what causes people to argue nonsense because what is a title? Nothing but words that a society gives a meaning to it, good or bad, to uplift or to demean. All humans has a choice to accept it or root against it, if the titles do not benefit you.

    Racism is not humanism
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.monitor.co.ug/uganda/news/national/when-gangsters-made-ugandan-civilization–3343178
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://truthout.org/audio/indigenous-abolitionists-are-organizing-for-healing-and-survival/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://truthout.org/video/indigenous-communities-worldwide-are-rising-up-against-big-coal-and-big-oil/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/indigenous-peoples-are-being-killed-for-their-land/2016/04/01/5f7dca9c-f764-11e5-958d-d038dac6e718_story.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.dw.com/en/land-loss-threatens-indigenous-communities-worldwide/a-44997211
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://ph.news.yahoo.com/indigenous-protest-camp-erected-brazilian-235959560.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago

    White immigrants weren’t always considered white — and acceptable

    Not so white
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago

    women fight to be free
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    The Oppression of Women Under Three Religions
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago

    Welcome-New-Members
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.ualberta.ca/folio/2020/08/researchers-reveal-patterns-of-sexual-abuse-in-religious-settings.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal so you call yourself white and superior to all humans, please explain why you are the most despicable animal on this planet? If you own the label you own it’s history and who cares if you feel, guilts, anger, or offended by this remark. The white race was just an evil invention second to religions. You are no one’s friend not even to the other people who calls themselves white too. You kill each other but you want to show a false force of solidarity when we see the truth that you can’t stand each other either.

    Rotheram-Case-Ceasefire-Magazine
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.nealdavislaw.com/criminal-defense-guides/human-trafficking-statistics.html Human trafficking are led by many religious organizations around the world and no one is saying nothing about it.

    Our Children
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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Alligator bait?

    Yeah that is Christian love.

    The blacks don’t feel pain anyhow. So it is not a big deal. They’re not really human and if we lose a few in the service of catching gators it is a good trade-off. I mean if you are catching brook trout you might lose a few worms to catch a trout.

    We do the same thing with animals. We assume things we do not know to rationalize the suffering we create. If we survive for a few centuries the current practices in raising and slaughtering livestock will be the how could those people do that? Of course civilization will be long gone before that happens.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    The gut-wrenching history of black babies and alligators

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://readcultured.com/yes-white-people-feeding-black-babies-to-alligators-really-happened-886745301bb9 What would you do if this was your child or children?

    Postcards of Black Babies being used as gator bait

    ALIGATOR-BAIT5-1
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Black People have never denied any person who calls themselves white, nor have Black People invaded your homes, hurt your children, or done any of the sickening things to people who calls themselves white but the invented white race have done all these things to us. Who is really the problem here?

    How sickening can the so call white race be
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/01/history-racist-colonial-violence-can-help-us-understand-police-violence/
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1h315.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    RACE Part II: European Racism in the Colonial Era
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://sociology.iresearchnet.com/sociology-of-race/manifest-destiny/ How the invention of race and the Christians made this country more religious and more evil. When I hear people say race shouldn’t matter but race mattered then and now. It was always about race and it’s evil invention but when you challenge this construct you are considered to the racist not anti racist because racism is power to the benefactor not the ones who are affected by it. No human being on this planet should accept something that demeans them.

    quote-the-last-chapter-in-any-successful-genocide-is-the-one-in-which-the-oppressor-can-remove-aaron-huey-79-96-70
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.history.com/topics/westward-expansion/manifest-destiny
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    TheEncogitationer replied to the topic Religion and Slavery – some commentary…. in the forum The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Reg,

    A very scholarly article from Chapman Cohen, but I would have to disagree with him on one point:

    Though Pagans, Jews, Christians, and Muslims may have differed on the rules on treatment of slaves, there is ultimately no right way to hold human beings as property. The only right thing to do with slaves is to set them free.

    Oh, Come, Robot Overlords, and get rid of the rest of this scourge on humanity that still exists in Africa, the Middle East, China, and even isolated houses of horrors in the West!
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why-are-inuit-people-dark-skinned

    Inuits maintaining their dark skin
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://jdstone.org/cr/files/converttochristianityordie.html

    religion_is_bad__2_0_by_aatheist-d57bx6y
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    ysumlin replied to the topic Religion and Slavery – some commentary…. in the forum The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Well said Reg
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    Thank you all for your feedback and appreciations of my post even those who do not like or agree with my content even though I have not heard from you. I am a fair minded person and I do not have an ego so I can take it all both the good and the bad with the same respect that we are all humans. Thanks @ Reg, @ PopeBeanie and @TheEncogitationer
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.damemagazine.com/2018/03/27/whos-to-blame-for-a-generation-of-angry-white-men/
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    Reg the Fronkey Farmer started the topic Religion and Slavery – some commentary…. in the forum The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    From “The Necessity of Atheism by D.M. Brooks, first published circa 1930.

    The Christian Church has had the audacity, in modern times, to proclaim that it had abolished slavery and the slave trade. It is difficult to understand how any “righteous” man could make that contention remembering that it was not until the middle of the nineteenth century that slavery became illegal in Christian countries, with one exception, Abyssinia, the oldest of the Christian countries, which still maintains slavery. In our own country, a nation had to be embroiled in a civil war before slavery could be abolished. Abolished by Christianity in the nineteenth century, when Christianity has been dominant in most civilized countries since the third century, and when the traffic in human flesh flourished right through those centuries in which Christianity was most powerful!

    A reference to the facts show that this claim is as spurious as many others which the ecclesiastics have boldly affirmed throughout the ages. For not only is this contrary to the truth, but it is an undeniable fact that it was only by the aid and sanction of the theological forces that slavery was able to degrade our civilization as long as it did.

    On referring to that legend which has been the source of most of our suffering and inhumanity, the Bible, a direct sanction for slavery is given in the Old Testament. Leviticus XXV gives explicit instructions as to where and from whom slaves should be bought, and sanctions the repulsive feature of separation of the slave from his family. Leviticus XXVII gives the “price” of human beings.

    The Koran, which the Christians look upon as a ridiculous smattering of utterances of a spurious prophet, sets a superior example to the Christian “Divine Revelations.”

    “God hath ordained that your brothers should be your slaves, therefore, let him whom God hath ordained to be the slave of his brother, his brother must give him of the clothes wherewith he clotheth himself, and not order him to do anything beyond his power…. A man who illtreats his slave will not enter paradise…. Whoever is the cause of separation between mother and child by selling and giving, God will separate him from his friends on the day of resurrection.”

    The New Testament follows the Old Testament, and there is nowhere to be found in its contents anything to suggest the elimination of this practice. Jesus did not condemn this practice, but accepted slavery as he accepted most institutions about him, and all superstitions. The teachings of Paul on the question of slavery are clear and explicit. Pope Leo, in his letter of 1888 to the Bishop of Brazil, remarks:

    “When amid the slave multitude whom she has numbered among her children, some led astray by some hope of liberty, have had recourse to violence and sedition, the Church has always condemned these unlawful efforts, and through her ministers has applied the remedy of patience….”

    St. Peter was addressing himself especially to the slaves when he wrote, “For this is thankworthy, if for conscience towards God a man endures sorrows, suffering wrongfully.”

    The Church certainly saw nothing wrong with slavery when she preached patience to her slaves. It did not condemn slavery, but condemned the slaves for revolting. This in 1888!

    In the “Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics” is found: “There is no explicit condemnation in the teaching of our Lord…. It remains true that the abolitionist could point to no one text in the Gospels in defense of his position, while those who defended slavery could appeal at any rate to the letter of Scripture.”

    It is true that slavery existed under Pagan civilization, but there it represented a phase of social development, while Christian slavery stood for a deliberate retrogression in social life. It was Seneca who said, “Live gently and kindly with your slave, and admit him to conversation with you, to council with you, and to share in your meals.”

    Think of what would have occurred if one of our philosophers had admonished a slave-holding Christian in the above manner.

    “We are apt to think of the ancient slave as being identical with the miserable and degraded being that disgraced Christian countries less than a century ago. This, however, is far from the truth. The Roman slave did not, of necessity, lack education. Slaves were to be found who were doctors, writers, poets, philosophers, and moralists. Plautus, Phædrus, Terence, Epictetus, were slaves. Slaves were the intimates of men of all stations of life, even the emperor. Certainly, it never dawned on the Roman mind to prohibit education to the slave. That was left for the Christian world, and almost within our own time.” (For a good account of the close association of Christianity with slavery see, “Christianity, Slavery, and Labor,” Chapman Cohen.)

    In Rome, the slave kept his individuality, and outwardly there was no distinction in color and clothing; there was very little sound barrier between the slave and the freeman. The slave attended the same games as the freeman, participated in the affairs of the municipality, and attended the same college. The ancients kept the bodies of their slaves in bondage, but they placed no restraint upon the mind and no check upon his education. It has even been said that the slave class of antiquity really corresponded to our free laboring class. It is also well known that a well-conducted slave, by his own earnings, was able to purchase his freedom in the course of a few years.

    There can be no comparison, therefore, between Pagan and Christian slavery, except to the detriment of the latter. The Christian slave trade represents one of the most frightful and systematic brutalities the world has ever known. The contrast between the Pagan and Christian slavery is even more marked when the dependence of the Christian slave upon the good nature of his master is considered. Compare this with the decrees of the Roman emperors:

    “Masters were prohibited sending their slaves into the arena without a judicial sentence. Claudius punished as a murderer any master who killed his slave. Nero appointed judges to hear the complaints of slaves as to ill-treatment or insufficient feeding. Domitian forbade the mutilation of slaves; Hadrian forbade the selling of slaves to gladiators, destroyed private prisons for them, and ordered that they who were proved to have ill-treated their slaves be forced to sell them. Caracalla forbade the selling of children into slavery.”

    “All that need be added to this is that the later Christian slavery represented a distinct retrogression, deliberately revived from motives of sheer cupidity, and accompanied by more revolting features than the slavery of ancient times.” (Chapman Cohen.)

    In the “History of Ethics Within Organized Christianity” is recorded, “The Church, as such, never contemplated doing away with slavery as such, even though Stoicism had denounced it as ‘Contra Mundum.’ Nowhere does the early Church condemn slavery as an institution. Kindness to the slave is frequently recommended, but this was done quite as forcibly, and upon a much broader ground by the pagan writers. It would be indeed nearer the truth to say that the Christians who wrote in favor of the mitigation of the lot of the slave were far more indebted to pagans than to Christian influence.”

    The Church itself owned many slaves, advised its adherents to will their slaves to her, and was the last to liberate the slaves which she owned. Yet, the apologists for the Church would have us believe that she was instrumental in the destruction of slavery, when it is a fact that there is nowhere a clear condemnation of slavery on the part of the Church.

    C. Lea in his “Studies of the Church History” says, “The Church held many slaves, and while their treatment was in general sufficiently humane to cause the number to grow by voluntary accretions, yet it had no scruple to assert vigorously their claim to ownership. When the Papal Church granted a slave to a monastery, the dread anathema, involving eternal perdition, was pronounced against anyone daring to interfere with the gift; and those who were appointed to take charge of the lands and farms of the Church, were especially instructed that it was part of their duty to pursue and recapture fugitive bondsmen.”
    It must not be assumed that the Catholic Church was the only ecclesiastical body to condone slavery, or that it was only the traffic in black slaves that flourished a few hundred years ago.

    “In the seventeenth century, thousands of Irish men, women and children, were seized by the order or under the license of the English government, and sold as slaves for use in the West Indies. In the Calendar of State Papers, under various dates, between 1653-1656, the following entries occur: ‘For a license to Sir John Clotworthy to transport to America 500 natural Irishmen.’ A slave dealer, named Schlick, is granted a license to take 400 children from Ireland for New England, and Virginia. Later, 100 Irish girls and a like number of youths are sold to the planters in Jamaica.

    “Had the Church been against slavery it would have branded it as a wrong, and have set the example of liberating its own slaves. It did neither. Nay, the Church not only held slaves itself, not only protected others who held slaves, but it thundered against all who should despoil its property by selling or liberating slaves belonging to the Church. The whole history of the Christian Church shows that it has never felt itself called upon to fight any sound institution, no matter what its character, so long as it favored the Church. Slavery and serfdom, war, piracy, child labor, have all been in turn sanctioned.” (Chapman Cohen: “Christianity, Slavery, and Labor.”)

    In Abyssinia, the influence of Christianity has been dominant for a longer period of time than anywhere else in the world. The population of Abyssinia is at least ten million, and of this population not less than one-fifth, probably more, are slaves. In 1929, Lady Kathleen Simon published her book entitled, “Slavery,” dealing with the slave trade of the world. In this work it is pointed out that slave-owning is an integral part of the religion of the country, and that opposition to the abolition of slavery comes principally from the priesthood which considers itself the guardian of the Mosaic law, and regards slavery as an institution ordered by Jehovah.

    Slave raids are constant in this country, and are accompanied by the greatest brutality and cruelty. Vast areas are depopulated by these raids and even at this date, gangs of slaves may be seen by travelers, with the dead and dying bodies of those that have fallen strewn along the roadside. “The slave trade in Abyssinia is open, its horrors are well known, and it is supported by the Christian Church of the country. Such is slavery in the most Christian country in the world today, the country which has the longest Christian history of any nation in the world. Its existence helps us to realize the value of the statement that the power of Christianity in the world destroyed the slave trade. Slavery flourishes in the oldest of Christian countries in the world, backed up by the Church, the Old Bible, and the New Testament. It has all the horrors, all the brutalities, all the degradations of the slave trade at its worst. Such is Christian Abyssinia, and such, but for the saving grace of secular civilization, would be the rest of the world.” (Chapman Cohen.)

    The slave system that arose in Christian times, created by and continued by Christians in the most Christian of countries, provides the final and unanswerable indictment of the Christian Church.

    Slavery was unknown to the Africans until it was introduced by the Christian Portuguese. In 1517 the Spaniards began to ship negro slaves to Hispaniola, Cuba, Jamaica, and Porto Rica. John Hawkins was the first Englishman of note to engage in the traffic, and Queen Elizabeth loaned this virtuous and pious gentleman the ship Jesus. English companies were licensed to engage in this trade and during the reign of William and Mary it was thrown open to all.

    Between 1680 and 1700, it has been said that 140,000 Negroes were imported by the English-African Company, and about 160,000 more by private traders. Between 1700 and 1786, as many as 610,000 were transported to Jamaica alone. In the hundred years ending 1776, the English carried into the Spanish, French, and English Colonies three million slaves.

    The cruelty experienced by these human cargoes on their transportation defies description. The chaining, the branding, the mutilation, the close quarters, the deaths by suffocation and disease, are a sterling example of man’s inhumanity to man when his conscience is relieved by finding support of his inhumane actions sanctioned in that most holy of holies, the Bible. Exclusive of the slaves who died before leaving Africa, not more than fifty out of a hundred lived to work on the plantations. Ingram’s “History of Slavery” calculates that although between 1690 and 1820 no less than 800,000 Negroes had been imported to Jamaica, yet, at the latter date, only 340,000 were on the island.

    Slavery in America received the same sanction by the religionists which it received on the continent. George Whitefield, the great Methodist preacher, was an earnest supporter of slavery. When the importation of slaves finally ceased the states began the new industry of breeding slaves; the leading state for this breeding, and the one which contained the largest number of stud farms, was Virginia. Lord Macaulay, in a speech delivered before the House of Commons on February 26, 1845, said: “The slave states of the Union are of two classes, the breeding states, where the human beast of burden increases, and multiplies, and becomes strong for labor; and the sugar and cotton states to which these beasts of burden are sent to be worked to death. Bad enough it is that civilized man should sail to an uncivilized quarter of the world where slavery existed, should buy wretched barbarians, and should carry them away to labor in a distant land; bad enough! But that a civilized man, a baptized man, a man proud of being a citizen of a free state, a man frequenting a Christian Church, should breed slaves for exportation, and if the whole horrible truth must be told, should even beget slaves for exportation, should see children, sometimes his own children, gambolling from infancy, should watch their growth, should become familiar with their faces, and should sell them for $400 or $500 a head, and send them to lead in a remote country a life which is a lingering death, a life about which the best thing that can be said is that it is sure to be short; this does, I own, excite a horror exceeding even the horror excited by that slave trade which is the curse of the African coast. And mark, I am speaking of a trade as regular as the trade in pigs between Dublin and Liverpool, or as the trade in coals between the Tyne and the Thames.”

    It has been estimated that the members and ministers of the Orthodox churches in the South owned no less than 660,000 slaves.

    Thomas Paine, in 1775, when he wrote his article on “Justice and Humanity,” was the first to demand emancipation in a lucid manner. The campaign for liberation of the slaves was therefore inaugurated by a freethinker, and triumphantly closed by another freethinker, Abraham Lincoln. In this manner did the Church abolish slavery. With characteristic disregard for the truth, the religionists have laid claim to Lincoln, which claim has been amply refuted; but we are still awaiting the Church’s claim to Paine as one of her devotees.

    “And, truly, the case against Christianity is plain and damning. Never, during the whole of its history has it spoken in a clear voice against slavery; always, as we have seen, its chief supporters have been pronounced believers. They have cited religious teaching in its defence, they have used all the power of the Church for its maintenance. Naturally, in a world in which the vast majority are professing Christians, believers are to be found on the side of humanity and justice. But to that the reply is plain. Men are human before they are Christians; both history and experience point to the constant lesson of the many cases in which the claims of a developing humanity override those of an inculcated religious teaching.

    “But the damning fact against Christianity is, not that it found slavery here when it arrived, and accepted it as a settled institution, not even that it is plainly taught in its ‘sacred’ books, but, that it deliberately created a new form of slavery, and for hundreds of years invested it with a brutality greater than that which existed centuries before. A religion which could tolerate this slavery, argue for it, and fight for it, cannot by any stretch of reasoning be credited with an influence in forwarding emancipation. Christianity no more abolished slavery than it abolished witchcraft, the belief in demonism, or punishment for heresy. It was the growing moral and social sense of mankind that compelled Christians and Christianity to give up these and other things.” (C. Cohen: “Christianity, Slavery, and Labor.”)
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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    ysumlin,

    A lot of things call me in many directions, but I want to let you know that you post some very informative and educational links on the sad state of the human condition.

    Your latest posts on mass murders in human history reminds me. You might be interested in reading more about a scholar whose life’s work and magnum opus was documenting the phenomenon he called Democide. He was the late and great Professor Rudolph Rummel and here is his Web Site:

    Power Kills: Freedom, Democracy, Peace; Power, Democide, and War
    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/

    Not pleasant reqding at all, but a bitter necessity for all who want a better future.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://phys.org/news/2007-05-theory-modern-humans-descended-small.html

    We-Are-All-Humans
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/aboriginal-australians
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    https://ng.opera.news/ng/en/politics/7847ae4373483295f8780e916df01cfd Leopold of Belgium the worst serial killer and the world knows nothing about him and his horrors.

    Leopold II
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://ng.opera.news/ng/en/politics/7847ae4373483295f8780e916df01cfd

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    https://reviews.history.ac.uk/review/545
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers4 months ago
    http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2022-04/14/content_78164361.htm

    Enslaved China Fishermen
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://minorityrights.org/what-we-do/indigenous-tribal-peoples-asia-programme-9078/

    Indigenous People of Asia
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://news.yahoo.com/taiwan-black-lives-matter-protest-094409368.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    I really hate that some humans calls themselves white when there’s no such humans on earth. This white people label pisses me off everytime I hear it. I don’t use the term because it’s an unconscious admission that I believe in Scientific Racism and Eugenics. Race is a myth for humans based on skin colors, the sooner we can get this right the sooner racism ends. I will never become apologetic when speaking about this evil construct and I don’t care who gets offended by me speaking out against it. Let me point out to all of you, I did not deny any humans rights, I do not view myself as a superior being over any human and I never and will I ever deny women equal rights but the men who calls themselves white did and still do.I dislike the label of whiteness.

    No white people
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_indigenous_peoples. The Han sailor Chen Di, in his Record of the Eastern Seas (1603), identifies the indigenous people of Taiwan as simply “Eastern Savages” (東番; Dongfan), while the Dutch referred to Taiwan’s original inhabitants as “Indians” or “blacks”, based on their prior colonial experience in what is currently Indonesia. When we face the real atrocities of colonialism and we teach it to the world it becomes a problem and yet the problem was not caused by the Indigenous nations it was our invaders from Europe, the real Savages.

    The Chinese Dutch School Established in the 1800
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://ltl-taiwan.com/taiwan-aboriginal/

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/were-only-human/is-racism-just-a-form-of-stupidity.html This is not a problem that the Indigenous People shouldn’t be trying to erradicate this deadly virus from our world. Like religion the invention of race has harmed all humans but non greater than the humans who are darkly pigmented. Everything was not always colorism because even depigmented humans faced the same problems of pure whiteness or non christian. This is a problem to that needs to be solved by the very men who invented it “white men” somehow this problem has harmed darkly pigmented people the most, in all measures of trauma rather it be psychologically, physically, socially, economically, and politically. We have to fight this because we are continually being harmed by this cancer. This is something that other people choose not wanting to hear about it or wanting to deal with but we on the other hand are dealing with this everyday of our lives and it needs stopping. Being systematically selective and pretending this is not your problem, let me point it out to you, it is your problem the same as it is my responsibility to kill this disease that is continuing to cause havoc and chaos on our human families no matter what title we call ourselves. “One Planet One People”.

    How-to-be-less-stupid-smaller
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.thoughtco.com/evolution-of-eye-color-1224778

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://new.finalcall.com/2022/04/05/global-white-supremacy-and-the-fear-of-a-black-planet/ This planet have been and will always be a Black Planet, “to become fearful of a Black Planet is much too late and this is also being afraid of yourself.” Jay Sumlin

    I’m Black and so are you
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/why-did-darker-and-lighter-human-skin-colors-evolve

    We are all one people
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/07/3/text_pop/l_073_04.html

    FITZPATRICK-COLOR-CHART-3
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/neighborhood-wisconsin-man-charged-hate-210400134.html Same stupid and ignorant people who needs to see that the nigger and monkey shit belongs to people who calls themselves white because they invented race and the words to demean Black Humans.. Reverse Projection is better than smacking the shit out of these ignorant ass cowards.

    The real niggers
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/assembly-of-first-nations-meets-pope-francis-vatican-1.6402798

    pope-alexander-vi-inter-cetera-document-1493-n

    Doctrine
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16295827 What if this was your child? How would you feel? Are you enraged yet?

    Human Zoo
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://humanzoos.org/ How our Indigenous People were treated and still this stereotypical image of us is believed to this very day.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Oceanic Mythology

    The South Pacific
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_roles_among_the_indigenous_peoples_of_North_America

    First Nation Women
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://theredroad.org/issues/indigenous-womens-rights/ We have allowed Europeans tells us who we are as a people when they have no idea in regards to who they are. Our Indigenous ways was always given to women who are the bearers of life and we see our women as equal just as our Egyptian Ancestors did. The Greeks found this to be strange and unorthodox of a ruling system, because Europeans found women to be inferior and their ass backwards ways of living it is still alive today. They believe that the child gives birth to the parents rather than the parents giving birth to the child. This is not their blaten beliefs but it’s a symbolic example of their beliefs.

    Chief-Joseph-The-earth-is-the-mother-of-all-people-and-all-15-7-0754
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.whatnationaldayisit.com/day/Vagina-Appreciation/ The Bearers of Life will always get my appreciations and grattitude simply because without women we would not have population growth.Women’s health should always come first no matter the body parts. I was born on February 14th 1959 which to me is {“V Day”) this is to stop violence against women.

    Vagina Day
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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    ysumlin i think you may have mis-linked which means there is a missing link. Yeah, that was intended. Tip your servers. Here all week, month, year…
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dna-study-human-cancers-new-causes-110356799.html
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/births-australia/latest-release#:~:text=For%20Aboriginal%20and%20Torres%20Strait%20Islander%20women%2C%20the,with%20the%20number%20of%20births%20registered%20in%202019.
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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Butterfly McQueen
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d6/25/5d/d6255d5b7e1b50c4b9745e8a09b8b524.jpg
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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8d/4f/c2/8d4fc2c1b7f17c50ec23e436b320b317.png
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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d5/66/08/d56608a9dbd000eb18ef2027dd280401–richard-pryor-quotes-redd-foxx.jpg
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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago

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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    In the midst of all the excitement both in and outside of this Forum, I’ve neglected to post anything here. Here are some quotes from Freethinkers you may enjoy:

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://theconversation.com/despite-gains-europes-indigenous-people-still-struggle-for-recognition-54330#:~:text=The%20Saami%20%28previously%20known%20in%20English%20as%20Laplanders%29,and%20aren%E2%80%99t%20exposed%20to%20high%20levels%20of%20violence.

    The Indigenous People Bellacaledonia UK
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Modern Day Sami People

    Modern Day Sami Indigenous People
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    jakelafort replied5 months ago
    ysumlin as soon as i saw you had posted about Sami people i thought i wonder if this is the one indigenous group that has escaped exploitation at the hands of Europeans and by extension Americans. Of course not! Notions of morality are such a joke-just a philosophical exercise. Reality in human affairs is about power.
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    I agree and this madness needs to stop. It really makes no sense “we are one people one planet”
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago

    Ancient Sami People with dark skin

    Ancient Sami People
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7272911/ The covid-19 problem and our indigenous world.

    Indigenous Covid Problem
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    jakelafort replied5 months ago
    No surprise there either. Is it true of all indigenous Americans? How about tribes with casinos? Also i am curious as to the political affiliations and ideology of first nation. Are many of their numbers taken in with conspiracy nonsense?
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    Some are because of the right wing influence on many of the tribes people. There’s a majority of tribes who are non political because it is so hard for them to vote due to the inconveniences of proper voter outlets.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://slappedham.com/10-most-isolated-and-dangerous-tribes-in-the-world/ outsiders always try to tell the world who we are and yet they know about our ways and customs. Negative Racist Stereotypes. I see it as projection behavior. If you don’t know the meaning please Google it.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago

    20 Examples Of Bad Designs Shared By The “Sorry For Design” Instagram Account

    We come in all color hues because we represent the real human race, The Indigenous People
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    My family and yours
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    My family and yours too.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.redbull.com/int-en/meet-the-worlds-most-remote-tribes

    International-Day-of-the-Worlds-Indigenous-Peoples-656×445
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/slow-motion-genocide-west-papuan-liberation-leader-describes-indonesian-occupation/ When the Europeans invaded our land they killed a lot of us to take control of our freedom, yet today we are still being killed for the same reasons that people with lighter skin feels that they are our masters rather than being our children, this is sick shit that needs stopping.

    papuanactivist960
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://en.antaranews.com/news/221505/rights-body-outlines-efforts-to-resolve-papua-armed-conflict Why can’t the Indigenous People live in Peace? Why are they taking what little land that we have left? These’s a problem and it’s not us who’s causing it. No matter if our skin is dark, brown, or light we can’t have peace anywhere.

    indonesia-occupation-west-papua
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/10/04/the-ainu-the-little-known-indigenous-people-of-japan-and-russia/?chrome=1

    Ainu
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-did-the-indigenous-pe_b_10429116

    atheist-atheism-anti-god-quotes-15
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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Thanks for the articles, ysumlin. Some pretty good stuff there.

    Of course i approve of the author who dislikes the term people of color. I find that the most racist term and a way of perpetuating distinctions that ought not exist. A lot of the material i was familiar but some i was not. And it is always good to read about things that have gotten hazy. That is one of the things that happens when you have read a fair amount of history. You forget but it comes back readily.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago

    The invention of white people, the absurdity of race and fear of a Black planet

    We are africans
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago

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    jakelafort posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Joined another group. My barriers are being violated. Groups suck. That means i suck. First it was sunday school and now this.

    One point in re to slavery. No question there is a shitload of propaganda masquerading as science that was used to justify slavery, injustice, discrimination and every form of oppression. The pseudo science infiltrates the greater culture and is passed on like other memes.

    On the other hand slavery is very human. I suppose groups of people who did not have it are the exception. Obviously the ancient Egyptians, Greeks of antiquity, the Roman empire come to mind immediately. But it was all over and a natural consequence of war and the formation of kingdoms or dominant tribes. No doubt there was as the Brittanica article alluded to a marriage of convenience in wedding pseudo science with exploitation-a grand justification for doing unspeakable acts. The Christ Killing Jews were being victimized long before modern pseudo scientific propaganda fueled the holocaust.

    Slavery was endemic in Africa. Even Jamaica which was a key stopping point in the Atlantic slave trade had Brown peoples who enslaved Black peoples. India and its caste system was de facto slavery. There was slavery in the Americas. The peoples who never had slavery probably have environmental/cultural factors that come into play but slavery is just a sickening human thing made much worse by racist propaganda.
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    I couldn’t have said it any better than you Jakelafort. Bravo!!!!!
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago

    The White Race Was Invented: Here’s How It Happened

    The_Invention_of_the_White_Race
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.liquisearch.com/johann_friedrich_blumenbach/blumenbachs_racial_classification_system I say to everyone that the only racists people on earth are those who invented it and still believes in this ideology.

    quote-pit-race-against-race-religion-against-religion-prejudice-against-prejudice-divide-and-eleanor-roosevelt-38-2-0218
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/race-human/Scientific-classifications-of-race How race by skin colors got started and the birth of white people and the ideas many believe today even though it’s just a stupid and evil invention that is based on lies and not real science.

    The birth of race by skin colors an evil invention
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.psu.edu/impact/story/the-evolution-of-skin-color/

    races-300×300
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/heres-how-europeans-quickly-evolved-lighter-skin-180954874/

    evolution-of-human-skin-color-differences-l
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Solomon Island,,,, Land Of Blacks With Blond Hair And Blue Eyes

    People of solomon island before european invasion
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://en.unesco.org/indigenous-peoples

    Indigenous Brazilian Tribe
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.vox.com/2014/6/24/5835320/map-in-the-whole-world-only-these-five-countries-escaped-european

    European Control Map
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    Davis posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Pretty much unseen. If a marginalised group make up say 15% of a population but make up 1% of top earners, then there absolutely MUST be barriers keeping them approaching a reasonable share. Even if we entertained ideas that part of it could be explained by “cultural differences”, “disinterest” and other stupidities (which we absolutely shouldn’t), it still wouldn’t explain the disparity. No group of people willingly want to be underrepresented. No group of people are incapable of being properly represented. This obviousness is hard to get through the skull of those who have never been challenged or who have been challenged and remain forever stubborn. This is their loss. There are serious costs to societies which do nothing about underrepresentation and maintaining the status-quo.
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    Indeed, history never favors the oppressors it’s a ticking time bomb that is getting ready to explode because the internally oppressed will become tired of being oppressed. This system of world dominance is nothing more than a copy of the Roman Empire and we all know what happened to Rome.
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    Unseen posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Interesting video about white privilege. I find that my conservative acquaintances don’t see it. “This is the lane of opportunity where nothing is holding you back but lack of talent or lack of dedication to succeeding (translation: laziness).” They will then cite a few successful black people. They conveniently overlook the many advantages available much more to white folks like people ready to give a friend or a friend’s child a hand up or a way in the back door or a letter of recommendation. A loan officer may unconsciously feel that the white person applying for a loan is a better prospect than the black person applying for the same loan. There are innumerable such examples.

    Here is a British video explaining white privilege to school kids:

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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    Racial Trauma has the same negative effects of brain trauma and all forms of abuse. The victim will often blame themselves and become internally oppressed where they fear the dominant groups and will accept their negative stereotypes without protest. This is sad but our brain is one messed up organ which has no acknowledgement of what is real or a myth. Race by skin colors is a perfect example of this. In modern day science this is only a construct that if any human really has a sense of understanding that if a group says that they are better than you and you accept this without protest then there’s a much deeper problem within your own psyche. “Acts of aggression are not only examples of interpersonal trauma but also the trauma of racism, which is examined through the lens of intergenerational trauma, racist incident-based trauma, and complex trauma” (Bryant-Davis, Adams, Alejandre, & Gray, 2017).
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    BTW, thanks for the video share.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://medium.com/@mjpre.pbox_32984/filipino-indigenous-people-640fdfe2a00a

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    jakelafort replied5 months ago
    Magellan is a felon and i aint with pride swellin. Yeah the indigenous in the Ph. got hosed too-same as every other place. From what i have read or recall there are 30 or so tribes and they face discrimination. I remember reading how some of the American troops who decided not to surrender and ultimately join the Bataan death march fled into dense mountains and jungle were aided in their survival by indigenous people. No good deed goes unpunished.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/22/fish-a22.html I remember giving a lecture speaking to a group of young people at a science fair in Memphis, Tennessee and I mention our inner fish and the adults in the audience heckled at me as if I was some lunatic speaking to the kids. The strange thing is the kids listened with great interest which seemed to me that they were wiser than the adults. This is what creationism has done to our world and it continues today.

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    PopeBeanie replied5 months ago
    When I was taking an anatomy class four or five years ago, the class was on break and two instructors happened to be standing in front. I asked them if they had read Our Inner Fish, and they both beamed! I thought it was pretty weird that most students in the class never heard of it.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    I’m a 63 year old male who often listen to old time radio shows particularly in the genre’s of classic detectives and murder mysteries and would count the times I heard mention of white people and christianity. Notice I do not capitalize either. When you look at Adam 12 and the classic westerns you will often hear the same terms which is promoting of scientific racism but never about real science or non religious people or non christians. The most evil religion on this planet and still many people have been brainwashed into being a part of it.

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Welcome to all the new members to the group. We are on a mission of uniting our human family together as it should be. We are not skin colors but the only living species of Homo Sapiens living on earth today. This community thrives on scientific facts and recorded laws.
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    TheEncogitationer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Greetings, ysumlin! Great idea for a group on Atheist Zone!

    It looks like you say many things that bear much repetition, most especially in the United States zeitgeist these days.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://thisisafrica.me/politics-and-society/dont-need-world-jarawa-peoples-fight-self-determination/ History always repeats itself to reveal what really happened during the age of discovery. This is not the 15th century this is today in regards to The Jarawa People who allowed outsiders to come in contact with them. They were raped, murdered, and enslaved by British Porchers and now the people are begging for food, drug and alcohol addictions that was forced on them by people who calls themselves white. Why do they keep bothering us and pushing their sick religion on us? What is wrong with these sick people? Now they are treated like zoo animals the same as the human zoo’s in the 19th and 20th century. I have to ask you people who calls yourself white, what if we did this same exact thing to you? The entire Indigenous Nations around the world are tired of you. We out number you at a rate of almost 4 to 1.

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kionasmith/2018/11/30/everything-we-know-about-the-isolated-sentinelese-people-of-north-sentinel-island/?sh=6452720735a0 Why can’t people leave our oldest living ancestors alone?

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    PopeBeanie replied5 months ago
    I love that story. Perhaps they could be the last humans on Earth someday? Assuming they have higher places they can move to, and enough variety in their diet.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago

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    _Robert_ posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    We are all from Africans and I’d bet I also have some Neanderthal in my family history. Now that is diversity.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/why-christian-missionaries-struggled-in-australia

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://theconversation.com/long-history-with-islam-gives-indigenous-australians-pride-3521

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    Reg the Fronkey Farmer posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    “When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the Bible and we had the land. They said: ‘Let us pray. ‘ We closed our eyes. When we opened them, we had the Bible and they had the land.” Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    A short history of forced conversions to Christianity

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    jakelafort replied5 months ago
    Columbus and the Spaniards were responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in what is now known as Dominican Republic. Taino i think were the people. The macrocosm of what happens to people who are too nice. What a sick world and when you contemplate how religious folks love to extoll the virtue of religion and maintain it is the only means of being a good person it is really sad. In fact you observe so many atheists who say i am as good as you without religion. Being put in a position of defending oneself from people who belong to a gigantic evil cult….aint that some shit?
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    Yes, Jakelafort it is indeed.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://jdstone.org/cr/files/converttochristianityordie.html

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.un.org/press/en/2012/hr5088.doc.htm How can anyone believe in something that was used as a weapon against a free and innocent people?

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    jakelafort replied5 months ago
    Christians were imbued with the mindset of fuck you- we will rape you, take your land, enslave you, forbid your cultural ways, require conversion, make trades and deals we never intend to keep…but we go to church and pray and have the one and only way to heaven and to a moral life. I bet not 1 in 50 Christians is familiar with that doctrine although it comes up in some history classes.
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    Well said. Thanks

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Do you know what behavior projection mean? How many times have we heard people who calls themselves white make monkeys and apes comparisons to darkly pigmented humans that we call Black People? This is projection of someone calling you something that is more fitting for themselves, because when we shave the hair off a monkeys body the chimps skin is pale or white. Darkly Pigmented humans skin is dark to protect our bodies from the harmful and deadly UV-Radiation from the sun. Darkly Pigmented humans are the original human not the other way around.

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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    I focus on recorded laws that the European Invaders wrote to protect the lands that they stole from the original inhabitants of these lands. A religious doctrine claimed these lands because it was declared that non christians were not human and therefore had no rights to their own land. This was done when the European Nations began to travel in the 1400’s and nothing has been the same since this atrocity against a free people.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago

    III – Terra Nullius

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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    Do this sound familiar to you?
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    https://www.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Dr. Bill Nye will always be a friend to our human family.

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    TheEncogitationer replied5 months ago
    Very wise words from Bill Nye…Altough I suspect peers like the late Carl Sagan and Neil DeGrasse Tyson secretly didn’t like him, otherwise they would have given him some fashion tips to bring science a cool look. 😁😉
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    Welcome!!!!! New members to the group, I appreciate you so very much. I focus on the things that unites us rather than pin one group of humans superior over another, because I do not believe in such rubbish. Our planet belongs to all living things that are living today and we are the guardians of it. I hope we can focus on the things that makes us good humans and to treat each other as a family rather than a foe. Thanks Again for joining. Jay
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    PopeBeanie posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers5 months ago
    @ysumlin Thank you for starting this group!
    As a non-African and non-Indigenous guy (and calling myself “white”), I’m interested in how you and others feel about use of the term “People of Color”. Out of respect for your intentions for this Group, I’ve not taken the liberty to create a topic about this in your Forum. In fact not seeing any topics there yet, I certainly don’t want to author the first topic there! So that’s why I’m writing this question to you here, in the Home section of your Group.

    If you’re interested in how my interest in the topic of the term People of Color came up with me, take a look at https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/use-of-the-term-people-of-color-poc/

    Note that it is four pages in length, so I wouldn’t blame you if you feel you can’t spend the time reading it, or if you just want to do a quick skim of it. I don’t even expect a response to me. Quite coincidentally, this topic came to mind to me this morning, while listening to a San Francisco public radio station’s show with a black LA Times reporter as the primary guest, who used the term often.
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    Thanks Pope Beanie for your question, my reply is simply this in regards to the term People of Color. I did some research of the term before answering your question and this is why I have a late response. First of all I hate the term but I can find a common meaning because darkly pigmented humans represent all color hues of humans on this planet and it seems more inclusive than the term of i,e,”white people”. Skin colors used as a race for humans takes away the realities that all humans are just one species of Homo Sapiens living on earth today and we are not divided by skin colors and the small variants that differentiate us is 0.01 percent versus the 99.9 percent that we humans are more alike. than different. We have to look at the source of what got us here and thinking about skin colors as a race before we get confused by the term People of Color, which is “Scientific Racism” that gave birth to the caucasian and white race that was just a bad idea that worked it’s way into people accepting this construct as a fact rather than a myth. There’s no such thing as white people and yet you and others find this term non offensive or disturbing, but instead you ask me about the term People of Color and it appears you don’t have an idea of where white people come from. I am both a Scientist and a Historian and I say this because I examine things as they occur in our natural world and the recorded laws that bares evidence of it’s facts, not opinion.
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    TheEncogitationer replied5 months ago
    The figure I had seen in _Discover Magazine_ in 1994 was that the only genetic difference between any two human beings anywhere is like 0..064 of 1 percent. The figure may have since changed with the complete mapping of The Human Geneome, but basically, we are literally talking about molecules here. Yet to hear some people talk, that is all that matters.
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    I agree@theencogitationer
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    PopeBeanie replied5 months ago
    @ysumlin, thank you for responding and putting time into researching.
    I understand and agree with all you’re saying except “There’s no such thing as white people and yet you and others find this term non offensive or disturbing, but instead you ask me about the term People of Color and it appears you don’t have an idea of where white people come from.”
    I do understand where humans came from pretty well. And I’m perfectly fine not calling you a person of color if that’s what you wish, while I hear and read many other people, African-American or black or whatever moniker or category chosen or not chosen calling themselves “people of color”, and I respect their choice. Jumping to the core of why such terms matter and their acceptance or rejection matters does of course require knowledge of history, but also knowledge of how people themselves who are affected by that usage feel about that usage. I’m seeing good people with good intentions, using that term, even when speaking of themselves. Its usage is *very* common now, even among people to whom it would matter the most.
    Again, I respect your choice and insight, and wholeheartedly want to fight against prejudice, and am happy with educating people on our terrible history that includes (as Jake is especially educated about) shameful historic usage of the term.
    I do not believe in any “superior” race or human, nor even any pre-humans or animals, but I do strongly believe in educating or pushing back against any human or group that does believe in any such hierarchies.
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    PopeBeanie replied5 months ago
    That was too long, and cannot be edited. Long story short, I absolutely and especially appreciate your opinion this, while I’m still in the camp of calling people what they choose to call themselves, rather than what other people choose to call them.
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    TheEncogitationer replied5 months ago
    PopeBeanie, If one really wanted to get pedantic, everyone is ndigenous to wherever they were born and everyone is foreign to wherever they weren’t. 😁😉
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    ysumlin replied5 months ago
    True. I think most people don’t understand what genetic drift, the founding effect, and the original gene pool means. The more diversity you have in a certain area this indicates the original gene pool this is what makes all of the other arguments that humans comes from any other place other than Africa mute, simply because Africa is the most diverse continent in the world. This is the real home of all humans but we can claim our birth of origin as natives or Indigenous anything but skin colors which has nothing to do with the human race, just natural selection and health issues based on our interactions with UV-Radiation and nothing more.
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    PopeBeanie replied5 months ago
    @Enco I’m not interested in being pedantic, but in how personal opinion of usage varies, because of, in spite of, or regardless of its historic usage, while cultures and language usage evolves. This is not an exact science, and much of it is just plain unpredictable, even in spite of anyone’s strong opinions about what’s “appropriate”… for better or for worse, and rarely resulting in static perfection.
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers6 months ago
    https://www.theindigenousfoundation.org/articles/the-doctrine-of-discovery-and-terra-nullius
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    ysumlin posted an update in the group The African and The Indigenous FreeThinkers6 months ago
    We are all the children of earth and by evolution we evolved as a human species. No other concept can define us.

    One Race
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