jakelafort
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jakelafort replied to the topic Sunday School 9th May 2021 in the forum
Sunday School 5 years, 5 months agoUnseen, will is a more or less meaningless word in the context of freewill. Little Johny defied me and i shall punish his willful behavior by withholding his allowance. The will in willful suggests he is a bad little agent who is acting of his own volition and selfishly. So it is implied that little Johny can be a good boy if he chooses. You WILL…[Read more]
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jakelafort replied to the topic Sunday School 9th May 2021 in the forum
Sunday School 5 years, 6 months agoOne thing is painfully obvious in these quotidian explorations of free will. Ya gotta define terms. It can easily be the case that members take opposing views without actually having a contradiction in their positions.
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jakelafort replied to the topic Sunday School 9th May 2021 in the forum
Sunday School 5 years, 6 months agoI put adduce on the second place horse in the ky derby at 27 to 1. Turns out the winner was disqualified for illegal substance and the second place horse will take the first place purse money. But the bettors get nunofit. What the duce?
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
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jakelafort replied to the topic Sunday School 9th May 2021 in the forum
Sunday School 5 years, 6 months agoReg, you bet your life!
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jakelafort replied to the topic Sunday School 9th May 2021 in the forum
Sunday School 5 years, 6 months agoI wanna vomit. Having joined a group is a little awful.
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jakelafort posted a new activity comment 5 years, 6 months ago
Quite possibly i haven’t a clue but i am asserting the constituents or building blocks of life will replicate and given identical conditions, identical stimuli will react in an identical way. If this is true does it follow that as life evolves and complexity increases that randomness through some quantum mechanism occurs? I would not think…[Read more]
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jakelafort posted a new activity comment 5 years, 6 months ago
Isn’t the ‘randomness’ necessary to confer a survival advantage the variation brought about through mutations and genetic and epigenetic changes? In fact it seems to me that randomness might defeat or contravene evolution.
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Yes, I think mutations are just another example of life harnessing randomness to it’s advantage. Without randomness one would stick to the main thread branch…how boring would that be, LOL. It brings new possibilities to a an otherwise deterministic path.-
Quite possibly i haven’t a clue but i am asserting the constituents or building blocks of life will replicate and given identical conditions, identical stimuli will react in an identical way. If this is true does it follow that as life evolves and complexity increases that randomness through some quantum mechanism occurs? I would not think…
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
Robert, i don’t see that you have explained your thoughts on how injecting quantum randomness is a path to free will. In fact the consensus is that randomness itself gives no freedom. We would think it inane to ascribe choice when a paramecium dodges left of an amoeba to avoid being consumed. We conceive of their world as utterly mechanistic.…[Read more]
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We would think it inane to ascribe choice when a paramecium dodges left of an amoeba to avoid being consumed.
Certainly a salt molecule does not have that choice and not all parameciums will choose to dodge left given identical conditions. Those that do will pass their genes on more readily. I propose that randomness (perhaps it be white…
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BTW, I considers survival in an ever changing environment analogous to cracking a ‘survival’ code. I have tested the security of software using a random number generator as a seed into cracking our system.
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Isn’t the ‘randomness’ necessary to confer a survival advantage the variation brought about through mutations and genetic and epigenetic changes? In fact it seems to me that randomness might defeat or contravene evolution.
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Yes, I think mutations are just another example of life harnessing randomness to it’s advantage. Without randomness one would stick to the main thread branch…how boring would that be, LOL. It brings new possibilities to a an otherwise deterministic path.
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Quite possibly i haven’t a clue but i am asserting the constituents or building blocks of life will replicate and given identical conditions, identical stimuli will react in an identical way. If this is true does it follow that as life evolves and complexity increases that randomness through some quantum mechanism occurs? I would not think…
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
i hate to keep complimenting you Autumn but that was a great elaboration/expansion on your prior statement-more lucid and keen than the philosophers i have read/heard on this topic.
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
Robert, how does that one path to free will depend on whether biological systems have harnessed quantum weirdness to increase survival? There is now evidence for macroscale quantum entanglement. And apparently it operates in a deterministic way. I can’t figure out a path to free will unless it occurs with the genesis of super intelligence.
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
As usual Autumn with a bevy of insightful and penetrating takes
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
Not sure how credible the source is…
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jakelafort replied to the topic Like Sasquatch, UFO's don't exist in the forum Small Talk 5 years, 6 months ago
What i am about to say is anecdotal and not sure if it holds true as a generalization. Super religious females (not sure about males) do not like sci fi or the prospect aliens are flying those saucers. If it is true i suppose it threatens their world view.
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
Yes, you have made a case Enco, that false accusations are a danger to society.
Now lets see if you can reason your way out of the contradiction in your positions-the contradiction between your position on the first amendment and your position on accusations.
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
Enco, you have pointed out a historical theme in re to accusations. You might have added the era of Joe McCarthy. Is seems your opposition is based on the unjustified insult directed at the wrongly accused AND the consequences of allowing such SPEECH. Good on you and quite correct.
Earlier you championed the cause of unfettered free speech. The…[Read more]
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
Enco, it is against the law to make false accusations?
Are you certain of that? Is it a criminal or a civil matter to make false accusations? Does it matter whether those accusations are libelous or slanderous? Does it matter who the accusations are against? Is everything black and white with you?
No idea what davron is. But i threw out my…[Read more]
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jakelafort posted a new activity comment 5 years, 6 months ago
Spot on.
No matter how irrational, preposterous or absurd, religion makes the world intelligible to believers. If a believer is not corrupted by possessing an inquisitive mind or exposed to contrary information then it is a source of comfort. Not only does it make the world intelligible but it makes the world predictable. Good reasons…[Read more]
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jakelafort posted an update 5 years, 6 months ago
My knee jerk is religion. But i like Autumn’s answer also. A case in point in re preservation of status quo is the ferocity with which the poorest Whites in USA hunted escaped slaves.
We also can thank our evolution for our tendency to worship real and abstract figures. Small bands with leaders and followers has given us this tendency as a…[Read more]
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They aren’t mutually incompatible answers. One place where science will never keep pace with many branches of religion is that science often offers complex, partial answers that can feel counterintuitive and lead to more and more questions. Religion can offer very simple answers for one willing to take them.
We see it in politics too. Trump…
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Spot on.
No matter how irrational, preposterous or absurd, religion makes the world intelligible to believers. If a believer is not corrupted by possessing an inquisitive mind or exposed to contrary information then it is a source of comfort. Not only does it make the world intelligible but it makes the world predictable. Good reasons…
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