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According to Ara Noranzayen (“Big Gods”), those societies with a stronger belief in hell have lower crime rates, and those who emphasise heaven have higher crime rates.I guess that since Christians believe in both, that explains the schizophrenia.
Yes, there is a lot of contradiction.
I have heard a very similar story from someone else. The laws clearly need to be changed, along with the perception of how domestic violence works. However, it should not be assumed the OP was aware of this and neglected that fact. Many people simply are not. So it’s good that you raised awareness of it Dang.
P. S. I must say that LaViolette’s sexuality is irrelevant, however.
Simon Paynton: It isn’t clear that he doesn’t, given the amount of change we see in religious morality from the past to now. If God’s actions are also by definition good, that’s completely arbitrary, and not objective. That isn’t the same as “impartial”, though I’d question whether God is that either. Nor is it just “universal”.
I do try to understand what they believe. Not everyone will provide us with an explanation of how they think God actually grounds morality. Those who do seem to be saying this stems from God’s character-an attribute of his mind. I don’t agree that this would make morality objective however. It just ultimately boils down to being God’s opinions, which makes it subjective A few have admitted this, saying he could even make something forbidden or permitted at will.
He makes the case in his book Sense and Goodness Without God, as I said earlier. It would probably be best to read that-I am clearly a poor advocate.
Simon Paynton: Well, it does depend upon what “objective” is, yes, if that’s what you mean by “dancing on the head of a pin”. In some forms of theism, there does not appear to be an objective reality at all. Yes, that may be their definition of objective-I don’t think it aligns with standard usage though. I said Judge Judy could apply an objective morality. That still isn’t the same as her mind being its source.
It’s a fact that murder causes harm, which is something we inherently don’t want. That would be the simplest way I’m able to put it. However, others such as Richard Carrier have gone into much greater detail (it’s in Sense and Goodness Without God).
Strega: Yes, sorry, that was redundant. To put it more precisely, “killing in some circumstances is wrong”.
_Robert_ : Divine command theory is actually a form of ethical subjectivism, because it is still based on a mind-God’s. Even if in effect it could also be universal and absolute. You’re right that a theist can’t really have objective morality using it.
Objective, as in based on facts, not just opinions-independent of the mind.
So it’s objective, you agree, though not morality? I don’t see how complexity negates this. It is a fact that flourishing and happiness are human goals. Conflict can and does occur, but need not. I don’t think this fundamentally differs on any level that you mention either. Cooperation and reciprocity are possible for us.
