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  • John Phillip posted an update in the group Group logo of Sunday SchoolSunday School 1 year, 2 months ago

    • It’s a point of view. I think it’s a fallacy that atheists are more intelligent than religious people. But there is a difference in world views. I believe that an atheist might see religion as a great lumbering machinery that just gets in the way of real life. I think it’s just a different way of seeing the world.
      • This blog is too long and awfully written and full of shit to read beyond the first four paragraphs. You can be a scientist and religious if you like. But if you continue to believe in religion then you have sealed off part of your life from the application of scientific rigour that you would normally apply to other parts, simply because that is how you were brought up or because you want to protect your faith from scrutiny. Any and all supernatural religious claims cannot stand up to the most elementary scrutiny (and this doesn’t even have to be scientific investigation, simple critical thinking will do this). If you are a scientists or intellectual and yet still believe in a religion, then you are intellectual dishonest when it comes to part of your life. They do not CONFLICT as much as a person wilfully chooses to be intellectually honest with most things but NOT those things that they cannot permit to conflict with their religious beliefs. They are NOT more intelligent, they are simply intellectually dishonest in some cases.
          • You atheists constantly resort to insults and ad hominem as if that were compelling or scientific. It is neither but it’s your stock and trade.
            “Go from the presence of a foolish man.” – The Holy Bible

              • Identify the ad hominem and produce something substantive.
                  • Here is the all too typical ad hominem.

                    “But if you continue to believe in religion then you have sealed off part of your life from the application of scientific rigour that you would normally apply to other parts, simply because that is how you were brought up or because you want to protect your faith from scrutiny.”

                    It is a bald-faced lie. I am a chemical engineer. I have critiqued atheist Richard Dawkins’ books and found them full of ignorance and childishness. Details available but you will of course reject all of the facts that reflect badly on your god, Dawkins. Same with Carl Sagan. I wrote both of their publishers as well as Isaac Asimov’s. They had no answer except the same as you – ad hominems.
                    I sold Sagan’s response on eBay for $125 and Asimov’s postcard for $75. Fun and profit from the godless left.

                      • That is NOT an ad hominem. You do not know what an ad hominem is. You critiquing a book does not mean your critiques are good ones. Could you provide any evidence that a man in the sky created the Earth in seven days? Can you demonstrate that a being in the sky cares about my sexual activities? How do you prove that there is a heaven and hell? How do you know any of this? You cannot. You are absolutely intellectually dishonest if you say these claims can stand up to scientific scrutiny.
                    • And you happen to have the right religion of course just like everyone else who believes in nonsense. Aren’t you lucky, LOL. Any lame argument you can try to make can be applied to any other faith. Such folly.
                        • Yes. Obviously a bearded man in the sky created everything in 7 days, got furious when his two creatures ate an apple, doomed everyone to original sin, then birthed himself in the temporal real and got everyone to cruxify him so he could remove original sin and then threatens to send the people he created to eternal torture if they don’t believe in him. Yeah. That totally stands up to scientific scrutiny when the entirety of the evidence is an ancient unverifiable book and that that a third of humans swear it’s true. It is so ludicrous and absurd.
                            • YOU have written NOTHING of a remotely scientific nature. I’m quite sure that you don’t even KNOW the etiology of he word “science.”

                              Does a 10 year old girl falling out of a commercial aircraft in flight from 12,000 feet sound “scientific”? It happened. Is the creation of the universe by Nature’s God “scientific”? Where else does anything create beauty and magnificence from nothing? Nowhere. But you atheists claim that nothing created the universe and think yourselves oh so smart. Sorry, that is unintelligent and you have yet to even TRY to offer a proof of such nonsense. Talking to you atheists is like talking to a pigeon. It just struts around moving its head back and forth, saying nothing.

                              • So I take it you aren’t going to offer any evidence then?
                              • Atheism is a religion. You even have your own religious symbols which are often put on your headstones. You’re bitter and you will never change from it.
                                  • You have ran out of arguments so you resort to personal attacks. Again, those aren’t the rules of intellectual engagement. You came here to stir up shit, no to learn or engage in actual debate. It sounds like you are extremely defensive about your own religion, likely because you are insecure in your religious beliefs and feel a strong need to defend them. Otherwise you wouldn’t come to an atheist website trying to put down atheists. Why are you here?
                                • Saying that something is full of shit is not an insult. Saying “you are stupid” is an insult. Please tell me what the ad hominem is. Please address my actual argument. If you won’t engage in the proper rules of discourse then find some other website.

                                  Also…any sentence that begins with: “you atheists” is guaranteed to be nonsense. There are a billion atheists, most of whom have little in common with the members here on the website. You are hyper generalising. This is not a good thing to do. Consider not over generalising.

                                    • Claiming that “most of whom have little in common with the members here on the website” is hypergeneralizing as well as dishonest. Not a good thing to do, but you will continue it.

                                      Here was your lying, ignorant ad hominem:

                                      But if you continue to believe in religion then you have sealed off part of your life from the application of scientific rigour that you would normally apply to other parts, simply because that is how you were brought up or because you want to protect your faith from scrutiny.

                                      Read comments of Nobel Laureates here and stop lying:

                                      http://ProofThereIsNoGod.blogspot.com

                                        • John you are kind of funny. You come here to say atheists are insulting and condescending horrible humans. But your the one who is doing the insulting and it is gratuitous. It is like walking into a locker room and accosting a team accusing them of being intrusive. And i have not seen anything of substance from you. You say what others think or have said. Do you have any thoughts? Or you just hate atheists?
                                          • Jakelafort: “John you are kind of funny. You come here to say atheists are insulting and condescending horrible humans. But your the one who is doing the insulting and it is gratuitous. It is like walking into a locker room and accosting a team accusing them of being intrusive. And i have not seen anything of substance from you. You say what others think or have said. Do you have any thoughts? Or you just hate atheists?”

                                            1. I do not hate atheists. You put your words in my mouth and then react based on YOUR OWN WORDS.
                                            2. You and your fellow atheists have done as atheists always do – say nothing substantive in response to my analyses of your lies and attacks. I am specific, you simply toss the entire critique aside. Weak. Inane.

                                            • John, you aren’t here to learn or debate but to stir shit, disparage, over generalise and not participate in the rules of intellectual discourse. Maybe you should go find another website to troll.