October 18, 2022 at 9:01 pm #45015
I don’t know if you’ve ever thought about it but Roman Catholicism has a highly irrational side as well as a highly rational side. The irrational side incorporates a fair amount of paganism and local religious practices having no liturgical justification. Mexico, a largely Catholic country gives us a couple well-known examples. One well-publicized example is the Day of the Dead, which is official. There is also the cult of Santa Muerte (Saint Death), which is also practiced but without being sanctified, even though the Church isn’t strenuously trying to put a stop to it.
There are similar non-liturgical or pagan add-ons to Catholocism around the world, almost exclusively in impoverished Third World countries.
On the other hand, the Catholic Church, after their suppression of Galileo’s idea that Earth was not the center of the universe, mostly move toward adopting science as part of their arsenal.
Unlike the Protestant sects, rampant as many of them are with hostility toward scientific explanations of creation, the inception of life, as well as evolution. The Catholic Church accepts science and uses it as simply examples of the Wonder that is God who designed it all.
Just a few of many Catholics from the History of Science, some of them churchmen, all practicing Catholics: Roger Bacon, Franciscan; Nicholas Copernicus; Rene Descartes; Georges LeMaitre; Gregor Mendel; Blaise Pascal; William Roentgen; and Louis Pasteur.
Even today, being a practicing Catholic is no restraint on practicing science because they can always say and believe “Because of God…”October 18, 2022 at 9:29 pm #45016
I’m not so clear on the rational side.
I also think that what the Catholic Church covered up by way of abuse, puts them squarely in the unacceptable range. However, in other news…
They accepted that the Earth moved around the sun, only because the evidence that was surfacing was so damn obvious that they had to. So they switched sides to keep seeming in the right. They led from the rear.
Now let’s talk about women’s rights in the Catholic Church. Oh. We can’t. Because there’s *nothing* to talk about as they have none.
The Catholic Church represents authoritarianism The Pope is the absolute king. It’s probably why countries even consider leaning towards an authoritarian regime – subliminal training.
Of course you can pick out bits of positive aspects in the Catholic world. But when you have to dig through a heap of awfulness to find them, it’s probably worth looking elsewhere for inspiration.October 18, 2022 at 11:14 pm #45018
Everything you rightly pointed out notwithstanding, even today there are Catholics doing relevant research in just about all areas of science. They are blind to the church’s flaws or don’t consider them flaws, one or the other, but if I wanted to do research in evolution, paleontology, cosmology, etc., I don’t think there’s any way to do it as a fundamentalist Protestant Christian.October 19, 2022 at 2:49 am #45019
Most Catholics maybe go to Mass on xmas eve. Perhaps a funeral here and there. They do feel a little guilty about it. They call themselves Catholics because it’s easier than the alternative. To practice the religion as prescribed you are looking at like 20 hours a week. Is the organization some powerhouse to advance worldly knowledge. No.
The church is more like Walmart. Small boy’s pants, half off.October 19, 2022 at 3:28 pm #45020
If the issue is Catholicism there is nothing rational about it. Well wait…unless we are assessing Catholicism as a political institution. Then yes of course there is plenty that is Machiavellian and rational. Incorporating pagan practices to better assimilate noncatholics, taking money from morons, not paying taxes, imposing their political influence to alter laws…etc
However Catholicism itself is pure shit. Any system of thought that requires faith is inherently irrational. Shut off your mind and whatever analytical bent you have so that you can take it on authority. Original sin, talking snakes, virginal birth and a host of additional nonsense..October 19, 2022 at 4:12 pm #45022
Hey, don’t take me for a fan of Roman Catholicism. I was only pointing out that Catholicism is less into science denial than Protestantism, and despite being a religion that incorporates much more paganism and folk belief, still allows its members to practice science unapologetically. All they have to do is say that their work is compatible with the God thing.October 19, 2022 at 4:48 pm #45024
There was a bumper sticker on a car in front of me yesterday that said:-
IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED EVOLUTION
so I guess the churches are trying to accommodate science and yet remain relevant.
*spoiler alert – they won’t*October 19, 2022 at 6:11 pm #45026
There was a bumper sticker on a car in front of me yesterday that said:- IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED EVOLUTION so I guess the churches are trying to accommodate science and yet remain relevant. *spoiler alert – they won’t*
They won’t. So, instead of being relevant, they are trying to take over politically (at least here in the U.S.).October 19, 2022 at 6:11 pm #45027
Somewhere toward the present, evolution created god.
So much for intelligent design.October 19, 2022 at 8:33 pm #45031
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator
Most Catholics I know are only cultural Catholics. They do the usual Christmas and Easter rituals and still think they are. Yes, 2 hours of worship each year should make your God happy! They don’t ever seem to think about it. But they get very aggressive about it when challenged. This is because they are not aware of their own cognitive dissonance.
I ask them if they believe that the bread the priest gives them is the actual body of the Creator of the Universe. Most say ‘No’ so I tell them that’s what the Protestants say too. It’s why a vegetarian cannot be a Catholic. Then the fun starts.
When they get really angry I ask them; ‘So why do you remain supportive of an organization that has sexually abused helpless children around the world for centuries’?October 19, 2022 at 8:39 pm #45032
Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator
@_Robert_ The church is more like Walmart. Small boy’s pants, half off.
That is about to become a meme.October 22, 2022 at 9:46 am #45094
I guess the churches are trying to accommodate science and yet remain relevant. *spoiler alert – they won’t*
The churches are the Babies of God in strife.
1 Cor 3: 1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Because of their existence in that spirit of strife which is not God’s Holy Spirit of Love Dad is Disciplining them with slavery.
2 Cor. 11: 20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devouryou, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite u on the face.October 22, 2022 at 9:49 am #45095
@_Robert_ The church is more like Walmart. Small boy’s pants, half off. That is about to become a meme.October 22, 2022 at 9:55 am #45097October 22, 2022 at 3:02 pm #45101
Johan, sorry about your psychotic break.
Hopefully it is a pleasant delusion. And when you transition back to baseline may you have even greater prophetic insight.
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