Is gender studies a fraud?

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  • #32489

    Davis
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    Quoting more over-the-top feminists achieves nothing Unseen. I can find stupid people saying extreme shit on any topic. The fact that you are over-focusing on these people rather than the problems women actually face tell me what your attitude is towards gender imbalance and sexual-harassment and assault. No, 95% of men are not out to harass or assault. But yes 1 in 3 women have faced serious sexual harassment or assault. Don’t focus on the ramblings of an overgeneralizing feminist but on the latter statistic. 1 in 3 is fucking crazy. It is absolutely insane that it is so high and we don’t take it more seriously than we do. This should be the focus.

    #32490

    Unseen
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    Quoting more over-the-top feminists achieves nothing Unseen. I can find stupid people saying extreme shit on any topic. The fact that you are over-focusing on these people rather than the problems women actually face tell me what your attitude is towards gender imbalance and sexual-harassment and assault. No, 95% of men are not out to harass or assault. But yes 1 in 3 women have faced serious sexual harassment or assault. Don’t focus on the ramblings of an overgeneralizing feminist but on the latter statistic. 1 in 3 is fucking crazy. It is absolutely insane that it is so high and we don’t take it more seriously than we do. This should be the focus.

    You seem to have forgotten the topic, which is gender studies, a “subject” that has gone off the rails, and because it’s politically risky to opposite, they are fed a lot of rope. Those over-the-top quote are the sort of over-the-top inaccurate and hateful ideas women who sign up for said courses hear. I agree that women get a raw deal, but the deal isn’t made less raw by gender studies courses that are more politics than science, by “experts” inadvertently peddling victimhood and infantilization by arguing the men are more responsible moral agents than women (by which I mean, that men are held to a higher standard of agency, not that men are inherently more responsible actors).

    The topic here isn’t Do women get a bad deal? I agree they do. It’s asking for whether gender studies courses, as currently done, are worthy of academic accreditation. By all means, let’s study gender. Scientifically, not politically.

    Actually,

    #32546

    Simon Paynton
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    If Camille Paglia is right, and, shall we say, many gender theoreticians maintain that gender traits are 100% culturally constructed – maybe it is because traditional gender roles are oppressive, especially to females.  Maybe the gender theoreticians don’t want to justify traditional gender roles and traits by saying that anything is innate.

    #32549

    _Robert_
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    The prime directive of all life is to propagate. Western women control the passing of genetics via mate selection and abortion. The patriarchy is largely focused on trying to get in on some of that. All of that testosterone and masculine behavior is to gain enough power to impress and it works. Men are Darwin’s peacocks and their plume is muscle and money. Egalitarianism is certainly a lofty goal that sounds great on paper and perhaps some societies came and may still come close. Hard to image it could work in a hardcore capitalist and very competitive society. Socialism is the future, but rich capitalists will not go down easy.

    As we come closer to women gaining equal economic/political power and just crushing the bottom 80% of men in their feeble attempts to pass their genes on, we will see more and more single mothers and way less fatherhood. We will see all the short, asymmetrical, financially-down beta males without female companions retreat into all sorts of weirdness and sometimes violence. They will live with their mothers. play with guns and fantasize about being superheroes. I think it has started. The disciples of Jordan Peterson.

    #32553

    Davis
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    Both men and women are responsible for birth control. How many guys do you know who are itching to have four children or be stuck paying child-support to various women bringing up their children? The myth that women are generally attracted to muscle bound, rich, assholey alpha males is a really bad one. It has terrible implications, not to mention it isn’t substantiated. Women and men have diverse likes and dislikes, they can be easily attracted to personality, confidence, emotional intelligence, responsibility as they are to the sterotypical model of an ideal mate. Of my smoking hot female friends they have a huge variety of boyfriends. Of my male friends, the ones who muscled up and started peacocking, they’re as far from a long-term relationship as they ever were. And even if we do play around with these sterotypes it’s easy to misunderstand them. Men going their own way is a phenomena not of an unfair sex divide but some men being fucking ridiculous idiots. If anything, due to a higher male death rate and a higher percentage of gay men than women, there are more single straight women than there are single straight men, meaning it is actually a small portion of women who by simple math will be unable to find a partner. But no, childish pissy guys who either 1) Have a bad experience with women and go on to generalize that all women are bad and give up 2) Put no effort into building social skills and/or condifence and their own self-development to increase the likelihood of meeting someone and just blame everyone else for their failure 3) Have extremely unrealistic expectations and blame an entire gender for them not working out 4) Guys who give up after a few failed attempts and blame an entire gender for that 5) Guys who haven’t even dated, read manosphere-bullshit, thin the cards are stacked against them and that women won’t give into their god given entitlement to sex and give up before they even try. That isn’t the reality of growing inequality. This is the result of man-babies sense of entitlement, laziness, delusions and lack of personal effort in self development giving the best of them. The worst thing is, they never actually give up and go their own way but spend their waking hours trying to convince other men online that dating life is futile, women are succubi monsters and spread more woman hate.

    #32556

    _Robert_
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    Both men and women are responsible for birth control

    Not what I said. Men have no right to a woman’s body and no right to save a fetus.

    The myth that women are generally attracted to muscle bound, rich, assholey alpha males is a really bad one.

    Right. Male strippers are 90lb weaklings or fat bald guys with beer bellies. That’s what turns women on. Especially short guys. I am 5’10” and good looking, my coworker was 5’4″ and otherwise good looking. I went out with him. The cruelty he endured that one night was astounding,  Women want tall, dark and handsome bad boys that are sometimes way out of their league and finally settle for betas when they start falling apart or have a kid.

    Of my smoking hot female friends

    Let me guess, not the fat positivity ‘babes’ that permeate the feminist landscape.

    Enough for now, it’s too easy.

    #32560

    Unseen
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    Both men and women are responsible for birth control. How many guys do you know who are itching to have four children or be stuck paying child-support to various women bringing up their children? The myth that women are generally attracted to muscle bound, rich, assholey alpha males is a really bad one. It has terrible implications, not to mention it isn’t substantiated. Women and men have diverse likes and dislikes, they can be easily attracted to personality, confidence, emotional intelligence, responsibility as they are to the sterotypical model of an ideal mate.

    Clearly, Davis, you haven’t dated a lot of girls. Women are most reliably attracted to guys who make them laugh.

    More seriously, what makes a guy attractive?

    Can solve complicated formulas or explain Schroedinger’s Cat? No.

    Can change a tire? Maybe.

    Has a potential for violence? (Napoleon Dynomite called them “skills”) Maybe.

    Makes her laugh? Yes!

    Finally, show me a reasonably good-looking fiercely manipulative pathological liar and sociopath with good taste in clothes and plenty of wit and I’ll show you a guy who has a date on Saturday night.

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 6 days ago by  Unseen.
    #32568

    Simon Paynton
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    Maybe the gender theoreticians don’t want to justify traditional gender roles and traits by saying that anything is innate.

    I think we can compare the situation to race.  We don’t say that there might be innate differences between races, because in white majority countries, black people tend not to do as well as white people.

    I don’t believe there are innate racial differences, but I can see cultural differences.

    #32569

    Davis
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    You’re basing what an entire gender is attracted to on what strippers look like? Are you even listening to yourself?

    #32570

    Simon Paynton
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    I don’t want to be offensive, but do I detect some misogyny in the air?  Women aren’t as stupid and greedy as people are making out.  Or if they are, only to a similar degree to men.

    #32571

    _Robert_
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    You’re basing what an entire gender is attracted to on what strippers look like? Are you even listening to yourself?

    There is a preponderance of evidence. Most males are acutely aware of who and what women are attracted to. I disregard “gender studies” as  worthwhile; some of the founders having proposed a 10/90 male to female ratio as ideal. Sick. Programs akin to those in ‘Christian colleges’…. full of socio/political agenda and biased ‘academia’.

    #32572

    Unseen
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    I don’t want to be offensive, but do I detect some misogyny in the air? Women aren’t as stupid and greedy as people are making out. Or if they are, only to a similar degree to men.

    I may be one of those you are referring to, so my defense is that hetero men are not totally rational in terms of what we find attractive or nonattractive in the opposite sex, either.

    But let me make matters worse by a comparison I think is relevant even if it is a generalization. Like any relevant generalization, it won’t always be true in every case because it’s a generalization and not a law of  nature.

    It is this: in general, men get their adventure in potentially dangerous sports, exploration, and stunts. Women seek adventure and danger in relationships.

    Like I said, it’s not universal or hard and fast, but if you reflect a bit, you should see some truth in that. “Well, a lot of women like the same sports and adventures men engage in, don’t they?” They do, but how often do they do it for themselves rather than to be around men they find attractive? How often does a girl decide to take up whitewater kayaking purely because it’s what she wants to do and not for social reasons involving being with guys? And if she sticks with it, how often did she discover it through a guy or to meet guys?

    Before anyone brings up the fact that sometimes females engage in sports in groups of girls without any guys, remember I already said I was offering a generalization, not a law of nature.

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    #32577

    Anonymous

    I went into a Subreddit called GodlessWomen to ask them their opinion on the false Sexual Assault Allegations in the atheist community and the #MeToo Movement.

    Immediately four of the female atheist feminists told me to fuck off.

    Screen Shot Of Me Confronting My Fellow Female Atheists On Reddit About False Sexual Assault Allegations In The Atheist Community:

    Feminist Atheists On Reddit Tell Me To Fuck Off

    Godless Blog Post

    This is what I posted “I think the female atheists should speak out against these mass amounts of false accusations of sexual assault in the atheist community. Atheists like Richard Carrier, Neil Degrass Tyson, Michael Shermer and David Silverman are having their careers ruined over baseless allegations.”

    #32580

    Unseen
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    I went into a Subreddit called GodlessWomen to ask them their opinion on the false Sexual Assault Allegations in the atheist community and the #MeToo Movement. Immediately four of the female atheist feminists told me to fuck off. Screen Shot Of Me Confronting My Fellow Female Atheists On Reddit About False Sexual Assault Allegations In The Atheist Community: Feminist Atheists On Reddit Tell Me To Fuck Off Godless Blog Post This is what I posted “I think the female atheists should speak out against these mass amounts of false accusations of sexual assault in the atheist community. Atheists like Richard Carrier, Neil Degrass Tyson, Michael Shermer and David Silverman are having their careers ruined over baseless allegations.”

    First, I don’t know whether the accusations are fabrications or not. How do you know?

    BTW, you can add to the list of the accused the philosopher, apparently an atheist, John Searle and the physicist Lawrence Krauss.

    The conclusion, assuming that there is some truth to some of the allegations is that there is nothing stopping a person with a great mind from being a horndog as well.

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 5 days ago by  Unseen.
    #32582

    _Robert_
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    The conclusion, assuming that there is some truth to some of the allegations..

    This is a problem for me. I am not ready to give up the presumption of innocence. Why are you assuming anything? Are you being a protector of women? That is sexist you know.

    …there is nothing stopping a person with a great mind from being a horndog as well.

    In the words of Severus Snape.. “Obviously”

    I understand that women have been held back in many ways by a system of gender roles they supported for centuries. Why not strive for equality without trashing classical liberal values?

     

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