Is spirituality minus the spirit still spiritual?

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    Simon Paynton
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    Well, I don’t use the word spiritual, but I do the things that the word means to me: take care of my spiritual health, which effectively, to me, means biological, psychological, social, and moral well being.

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    @simonWell, I don’t use the word spiritual, but I do the things that the word means to me: take care of my spiritual health, which effectively, to me, means biological, psychological, social, and moral well being.

    Why not just say “Take care of my physical and mental well-being”.  If I ever go to the doctor and he says that my spiritual health needs attention I will glue his chakras together.

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    Belle Rose
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    @davis

    Belle, anyone can reshape a word to suit their narrative. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing, as long as it is clear what they mean by that word, that their definition doesn’t cause pointless confusion (or confusion on purpose) and that the audience is given a convincing reason to take this definition seriously.

    Right. But here we are discussing the concept of how one might define “Spiritual,” and like Reg said, a LOT of people say they are “not religious but spiritual.” If you look at the article I linked which is just a high level definition from Wikipedia, it says there are many different meanings of the word, but it makes an important point imho. It talks about the difference between “religious spirituality” and “personal spirituality.”

    So for example if someone says they are a Christian, their concept of “spirituality” is likely to fall in with whatever flavor they practice.

    Then take for example someone who says they are “spiritual but not religious,” then they likely don’t follow any organized religion which is the point.  The natural follow up question would then be, “so what do you believe?” – and they’ll tell you assuming you’re having a dialogue…then you’ll know what flavor of spirituality they believe.

    It’s really not rocket science 😂

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    @Belle Rose – Then take for example someone who says they are “spiritual but not religious,” then they likely don’t follow any organized religion which is the point.  The natural follow up question would then be, “so what do you believe?” – and they’ll tell you assuming you’re having a dialogue…then you’ll know what flavor of spirituality they believe.

    One line I often hear as a follow up to “spiritual bit not religious” is “I just have a personal and/or spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ”. My reply to such nonsense is usually along the lines of “Oh so you are in communication with the Creator of the Universe”?

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    Belle Rose
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    @Reg

    My reply to such nonsense is usually along the lines of “Oh so you are in communication with the Creator of the Universe”?

    Do they always say “Yes?”

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    Simon Paynton
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    Why not just say “Take care of my physical and mental well-being”. If I ever go to the doctor and he says that my spiritual health needs attention I will glue his chakras together.

    Yes, but spirituality is about more than “physical and mental well-being”.  It includes the nebulous notion of a “spirit” or “soul” – which everyone has.  I think it’s about a relationship with one’s real self.  If you say you don’t have a soul, then you’ve got no soul.

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    @Belle Rose – Do they always say “Yes?”

    I get various reactions. Some automatically say “Yes” without blinking but most look a little confused and I see them processing the question. Once they try to explain what they mean I get all Socratic Method on them and keep asking for further explanations of what they mean. “What do you really mean by that” or “Is that what you really believe”?

    “Well, I communicate with Jesus via prayer.  I know he hears me because I get answers.”

    Ok, so you don’t actually hear His voice in your head then?

    Occasionally I get to see someone realize that they can’t actually communicate with the Creator of the Universe and from there I get to talk to them about the probability that nobody can even with 5G.  Sometimes we carry on the conversation and then the person is on the fast track to freethinking.

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    jakelafort
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    The following science news has the potential to give the immortals and the spiritual folks a turbo boost.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/04/220407100956.htm

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