It's not Russia, it's Putin

[_Robert_Participant]

It is very sad that the typical American aged 65 – 69 has a net worth of $57,180 excluding their home equity. That is just about one year’s median salary. These results after the longest bullish economy in history.  Hand the company reigns to them?  A company that is run by a voting bloc of typical Americans has no chance against a company in the hands of people who reside on the right tail of the financial talent curve.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

Just so you know, I’ve learned to be a loose horseshoe nail on the Gish Gallop towards World Conquest.

That CV of Professor Wulfen doesn’t wow me at all. If anything, it gives him even less excuse for spouting his nonsense. And keep the gas valve turned up. I know what he said.

The man is saying that govenment controls like ration cards are what stops the “Managers” from creating inflation. Sorry. The Law of Supply and Demand is not to be denied without peril. Those controls from both the FDR Era and from every era for Forty Centuries prior created both shortages, wasted surpluses, and economic unintended consequences galore!

And this asshole wants ration cards for the two most plentiful items in the world–food and fuel???

To Hell with this control freak Commie Bastard!

More to come…

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

The examples of “The Commons” that Professor Wülfen cites are not making his case very well.

I mean, Central Park?…”Where the they say you should not wonder after dark” –Simon & Garfunkel…”And which ain’t great shakes by daylight either”–I said that…in the middle of Fuckin’ New Fuckin’ York Fuckin’ City, a Babylon of failed Government “solutions”? Please! 🙄

And “Public Schools” (which should be called “Gummint Skoolz”)? These war zones that are the worst places to learn anything useful and where the only “social skills” any kid learns is how to hate other human beings like you never have before?

These are more like examples of “The Tragedy of The Commons,” where everybody owns it, everybody uses it, and nobody cares for it.

Start again, Professor Wülfen.

[PopeBeanieModerator]

Anecdotal evidence in support of “It’s not Russia, it’s Putin”:

… especially if Putin, the guy running this war, strikes with WMDs.

(While some postulate that Putin’s isolation during covid has greatly reduced his interactions with people other than his hand picked yes men.)

[UnseenParticipant]

@Enco

Wolff talked about rationing, he used WW2 rationing as an example. He nowhere said that everyone would get a ration card or that that would be the best way in peacetime. Don’t forget, also, that as for managing rationing, we have computer power nowadays that can take into account supply and demand and other market forces in real time.

Central Park has the same problems as every aspect of life in America with violence and property crimes  getting worse with the inception of the pandemic. That commons can work well is proven in other cases.

Besides, I could find no enthusiasm for privatizing Central Park. Are you aware of any such movement? And if there is one, is it receiving much support at all?

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[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

Simon & Garfunkel wrote those lyrics about Central Park over 40 years ago and, with exception of maybe a brief period when Mayor Rudy Giuliani was getting tough with street punks, Central Park has been the same way since.

it’s the same way with public parks all over. “The Tragedy of The Commons.”

I don’t know if there is an active movement to privatize Central Park or any other public park, but with the U.S. in in debt the way it is, and Cities riddled with garbage, homeless encampments, and horrific street crimes, there needs to be a movement like that.

Disney, Paramount, Six Flags, Universal, SeaWorld, and others could all run a park much safer, cleaner, and friendlier than the City or County Governments, and provide profit-making ventures and employment as well. Might even make a great Sister Park with the future Amusement Parks to come in Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem. 😎

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

Wolff talked about rationing, he used WW2 rationing as an example. He nowhere said that everyone would get a ration card or that that would be the best way in peacetime. Don’t forget, also, that as for managing rationing, we have computer power nowadays that can take into account supply and demand and other market forces in real time.

Computers can only manage the data that is given to them by humans (“Garbage In, Garbage Out”) and no single human has all the knowledge and mobilization of resources needed to make something as simple as a pencil.

And not only that, but no Dictator, no Oligarchy, no Party, not even one-sixth of a nation turned into spies like East Germany was, can provide that knowledge and mobilization.

The only way it is done is with Division of Labor and unfettered operation of Supply and Demand to determine prices for all materials and wages for all labor and who gets what, when, and how. When governments attempt to control those prices and wages or subsidize them or abolish them, all turns to chaos. It’s been tried for over Forty Centuries and the results are always the same.

[PopeBeanieModerator]

Are you guys actually getting anywhere? I’m thinking of moving your posts to your own topic, but it’s sooo much work! Back to my topic, a short video on recent events:

[UnseenParticipant]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

The only way it is done is with Division of Labor and unfettered operation of Supply and Demand to determine prices for all materials and wages for all labor and who gets what, when, and how. When governments attempt to control those prices and wages or subsidize them or abolish them, all turns to chaos. It’s been tried for over Forty Centuries and the results are always the same.

Explain China.

China’s growth has exceeded that of the United States for some while now, often being in excess of the U.S. growth rate by double or triple. They have done so with far more central planning than we have in the U.S.

Yes, they make mistakes such as the current housing and mortgage crisis which could hit them hard any time now, but they have shown at almost every turn along the way an ability to learn from mistakes, which have been precious few.

BTW, the United States has been instructed by the billionaires and big corporations “Do not tax us or we’ll make campaign donations to your opponent in the next election. If you protect us, on the other hand, YOU can have that money.” And so, rather than tax our overlords, we borrow money from Communist China. Who pays the interest on that debt? Well it’s the non super-rich voters and the smaller businesses who can’t avoid taxation.

This is the system you think is so fucking great.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

Let’s eavesdrop on the invaders……

[UnseenParticipant]

Does it make sense for Russia to sabotage the Nord Stream pipelines?

Many people blame Russia, but think about it: Russia is the source and can stop the flow without damaging the pipelines anytime anytime it likes as long as the pipelines stay intact. With the pipelines leaking and useless, it could be a while before it could regain control. Why would Russia consciously sabotage those pipelines and give up the control it has to turn them on and off. How does it gain?

So, in the spirit of “follow the money,” who could benefit from disabling those pipelines? Well, who could be in a position to replace the lost fuel. Could it be the U.S., which has opposed the pipelines for fear they would create a dependency on Russia giving Russia more influence over the European NATO nations?

It almost seems worthy of the opening scene in a Bond film. Vital Russian gas pipelines running beneath the Baltic Sea close to Denmark and Sweden are the victims of sabotage. The two countries have warned of leaks from both Nord Stream 1 and 2 after seismologists suggested there had been underwater explosions. No one wants to claim credit for the deed — yet. Who is the Blofeld behind this dastardly scheme?

Former Polish foreign minister Radek Sikorski, no fan of Russia he, sardonically declared on Twitter, “Thank you, USA.” That set the conspiracy theorists off. As has a video resurfacing of Joe Biden in February promising America would put an end to Nord Stream 2. (source)

[UnseenParticipant]

@Reg

Great link.

[UnseenParticipant]

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Fellow Unbelievers,

In fighting against Putin’s War Machine, Ukrainian are also fighting against The Iranian Mullah’s and Ayatollah’s Jihad Machine too:

Problem of Iran-made drones already being solved – Ukraine’s Defence Minister
— THURSDAY, 29 SEPTEMBER 2022, 11:42
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/29/7369607/

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[UnseenParticipant]

Glenn Greenwald, highly respected journalist, lays the blame for the sabotage squarely on the United States. Asks basically why would Russia give up the leverage it had through it’s ability to control the flow through the pipeline?

Glenn’s interview starts at 1:26:

I ask who comes up if you follow the money? Now, the United States can come to the rescue by shipping LNG to Europe. For a fee, of course.We’ll probably even set up a handy dandy repayment plan.

Once you ask who benefits, it doesn’t look like Russia.

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