MIG-TOW. Have you heard about it?

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_Robert_ wrote:

I also find that many of my friends that have been single and living alone for years get really rigid in their views and are easily irritated. Some have even become radicalized. There is no one to call them out on their bullshit.

One guy I worked with retired at 65. I figured he would drink himself to death in a year. He only lasted 7 months. Your pets might eat you before someone notices. Here in Florida, a giant morgue waiting room, there are companies that specialize in removing the smell of death from a house. Those “Life Alert” products also do a lot of business.

I’m sure your observations are absolute gold. LOL It’d be a little more convinced that you’re onto something with evidence of a more general kind.

BTW, if I kick the bucket and it takes a day or two for someone to realize I’m not active online and ask for a welfare check, if my cat gets hungry, she is welcome to have me for lunch. My neighbor already messaged me because she noticed I hadn’t posted on Facebook for an entire morning and part of the afternoon.

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Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

I deliberately live on my own. I enjoy my own company and it is never boring.

My daughter is a very social person and I remember being on the phone with her (which I rarely do because I absolutely hate being on the phone) and she complained that with her husband on a business trip and her children spending the weekend with friends, she was feeling alone. I told her “Learning to be good company for yourself is a part of growing up.”

I make no demands from anyone and no-one owes me anything. Well, something like that, I guess. And yes, a man and woman can be friends and neither wants sex with the other. There is no app for that relationship

I had a lady friend for about three or four years. We were just friends even though she’s a very attractive woman. I enjoyed her company and she enjoyed mind. We decided to move in together to reduce both our rents. Long story short, by about 6 months in we couldn’t stand each other. She moved out and haven’t talked since. I really regret moving in together since I loved our times together.

 

[_Robert_]

Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:

I also find that many of my friends that have been single and living alone for years get really rigid in their views and are easily irritated. Some have even become radicalized. There is no one to call them out on their bullshit.

One guy I worked with retired at 65. I figured he would drink himself to death in a year. He only lasted 7 months. Your pets might eat you before someone notices. Here in Florida, a giant morgue waiting room, there are companies that specialize in removing the smell of death from a house. Those “Life Alert” products also do a lot of business.

I’m sure your observations are absolute gold. LOL It’d be a little more convinced that you’re onto something with evidence of a more general kind. BTW, if I kick the bucket and it takes a day or two for someone to realize I’m not active online and ask for a welfare check, if my cat gets hungry, she is welcome to have me for lunch. My neighbor already messaged me because she noticed I hadn’t posted on Facebook for an entire morning and part of the afternoon.

What, you never read “A Christmas Carol”? “I wear the chain I forged in life; I made it link by link and yard by yard.” For sure there are fine people who do very well being alone, however, if someone is just a total selfish asshole, then do someone a favor and again be alone.

In the engineering profession I would say the anti-social and eccentric tendencies of techies is real and so yes, I have known so many divorced/single engineers just end up in a bad way when they finally retired. This one guy I worked with lived off free happy-hour food like wings and Swedish meatballs and whenever anyone would mention something remotely “liberal” his veins would literally start popping and pulsing away from his bald skull and his face would go beet red. If ever there was a guy who could have used a soft feminine influence it was him. I saw him sucking on a Neosporin anti-microbe tube normally used for external cuts. Said he had a sore throat and was too smart to see a damn medical quack. He finally got fired and I heard he died soon after.

[TheEncogitationer]

Fellow Unbelievers,

According to Wordnik, there is one type of MGTOW that one should definitely avoid being:

Maximum Gross Takeoff Weight — the maximum gross weight of a given aircraft, including its own weight and that of everything it is carrying, before being unable to take off.

https://www.wordnik.com/words/MGTOW

Beyond that, by all means go for it. 😁

[Simon Paynton]

I think that Tom Leykis doesn’t like women.

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Simon Paynton wrote:

I think that Tom Leykis doesn’t like women.

I see him as akin to Trump. He likes money and he made money off guys who don’t like women the same way Trump makes money off the ignorant disaffected. BTW, Leykis seems to have withdrawn from public life. Spending his millions or sitting there every night with a bottle of hootch and a pistol on the table in front of him? I don’t know.

That said, nowadays avoiding women as a legal strategy makes a certain kind of sense.

Reasons:

Women file 70% of the divorces and the courts frequently seem to assume that the female needs continued support through alimony.

Men pay women alimony so the ladies can continue the lifestyle they had while they were married even if they aren’t even trying to support themselves. When you’re not married, you should be able to be unmarried.

With #MeToo, there is a presumption that in male/female disputes, the woman is always to be believed. Thus, one of the dumbest things you can do as a guy is to get involved with a coworker…even as just a friend.

Many women seem to feel entitled to be hit on and courted and yet they will rudely rebuff men hitting on them who they know or assume don’t meet their unrealistically high standards (height, physical fitness, wealth level, etc.).

Many women see men merely as a way to enjoy luxuries. You have the idea of the guy they keep as a “foodie call” boyfriend for example.

Women fail to recognize that women who are out there making themselves too available are a bad investment as a life partner because if she has a history of “hump and dump” relationships, a smart guy can see how he really fits into her life.

Many women waste their most physically attractive years on playing the field and working on their careers, putting off having children and a family until later then suddenly somewhere around age 30 find themselves wanting to marry and have a child but having to compete against far more alluring younger women who look attractive without even trying.

[_Robert_]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Fellow Unbelievers, According to Wordnik, there is one type of MGTOW that one should definitely avoid being:

Maximum Gross Takeoff Weight — the maximum gross weight of a given aircraft, including its own weight and that of everything it is carrying, before being unable to take off.

https://www.wordnik.com/words/MGTOW Beyond that, by all means go for it. 😁

LOL.😁

[_Robert_]

I don’t really fault guys who turn away from women these days. Will the numbers get so large that US society begins to fail? The inverted population pyramid is an economical disaster.

[Simon Paynton]

Unseen wrote:

That said, nowadays avoiding women as a legal strategy makes a certain kind of sense.

It all sounds like a philosophy of life for people who don’t like themselves, or who don’t realise we only get one chance at life, or something like that.  Don’t they want to be happy, and have a nice life?  I think if they were genuine people, rather than cynical, they would have a better time.

Whatever works for anybody is good.  But these people seem perverse to me.

[Simon Paynton]

It’s nihilistic.  Many of them fantasise about shooting up shopping malls.

[_Robert_]

Simon Paynton wrote:

It’s nihilistic. Many of them fantasise about shooting up shopping malls.

There is a wide spectrum, but sure there are always radicals.

[Unseen]

_Robert_ wrote:

I don’t really fault guys who turn away from women these days. Will the numbers get so large that US society begins to fail? The inverted population pyramid is an economical disaster.

The demographic crisis is real and unavoidable, even if it were to happen mostly elsewhere. If it happens out where we sell our goods, the impact will hit us here. China’s coming crash is a dead certainty, and they aren’t alone. The birth rate in South Korea is only at .68/1. Yeah, for every three Koreans who die only two are born to replace them.

But it isn’t only happening elsewhere. We are experiencing a repopulation decline which is good at first, but then…

There’s evidence to suggest that population decline might become irreversible after a certain point. Here’s why according to Genesis AI:

Declining Fertility Rates: The main driver of population decline is a drop in fertility rates, meaning people are having fewer children on average. This trend is linked to factors like economic development, access to education, and changing gender roles. Once these societal shifts occur, it’s difficult to reverse them. 

The Heresy of Decline

Momentum of Decline: As a population ages and has fewer children, the decline starts to snowball. There are fewer women of childbearing age, leading to even fewer births in the next generation. This can create a self-perpetuating cycle

Historical Precedent: There aren’t many examples of countries reversing a sustained decline in fertility rates below replacement levels (around 2.1 children per woman). This suggests it might be a long-term trend once it starts.

However, it’s not entirely certain:

Policy Changes: Governments could introduce policies that incentivize having more children, like financial support or childcare options. The effectiveness of such policies is still debated.

Shifting Values: Cultural values around family size could change in the future, leading people to have more children.

[Unseen]

The problem driving MGTOW isn’t women generally, it’s Western women. Woke, feminized, #MeToo women. Men are finding that they have far fewer problems with women outside the Western world. Non-Western women still know how to be feminine and make men feel needed and important.

Western women complain when men just walk away after the first no or brush off, not realizing that we’ve been told over and over that “no means no.” What else could it mean. And often they can’t just say no politely and with some charity toward our feelings. They make us feel like a creep and sometimes even say so.

There’s a video I saw where a few female friends were out at a bar and being young and attractive, they were upset that no men bothered to say hello or offer to buy a round. So, one of the women excused herself to go to the ladies room and on the way back stopped not 2 feet away from a group of three or four eligible guys and danced by herself on the edge of the dance floor. Not one of the men asked if she’d like a dance partner. So, she returned to her friends.

At the end of the evening, her party passed by a table full of sixtyish men, who engaged them in conversation. Not hitting on them at all, but just friendly talk. She said she concluded that young men have lost the knack of talking to females. However, it might be that those older men just don’t have to navigate the minefield of the modern Western woman.

[Unseen]

A very interesting conversation that delves into a misunderstanding women have about submissiveness. The heart of the conversation starts shortly after 50 seconds into the video:

[Simon Paynton]

Unseen wrote:

The problem driving MGTOW isn’t women generally, it’s Western women. Woke, feminized, #MeToo women. Men are finding that they have far fewer problems with women outside the Western world. Non-Western women still know how to be feminine and make men feel needed and important.

But you can’t say that women are at fault for trying or succeeding in getting liberated.  Men don’t necessarily know how to navigate this new egalitarian environment.  They should try harder to understand the situation, not blame women for changing.  It’s their responsibility to learn how to get what they want – which is pretty similar to what women want.

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