Will you trust the Covid vaccine?

[UnseenParticipant]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

Jody Lee – was your arm cold afterwards?? I will get the Moderna vaccine instead of the Pfizer one. I think it will still be too cold for my arm at minus 20 Celsius but minus 70 Celsius is even colder than winter in Antarctica!! I read that on FB so it must be true.

I have assumed that the low low temperature of the Pfizer vaccine is only for storage. I suspect it’s far closer to room temperature when it’s injected. Do you know otherwise. I think the ultralow temperatures w0uld actually destroy tissue which might inhibit the tissue’s ability to absorb the vaccine. But what the hell do I know?

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[Jody LeeParticipant]

We received the Pfizer vaccine. It was at a normal refrigerated temperature and did not feel cold going into my arm.  They are able to be refrigerated for five days before being reconstituted and can be held for up to 6 hours after being reconstituted.

Honestly,  I didn’t feel much of anything and still don’t.

I am grateful to hear of your respect for long term care workers…they don’t get enough. And, yes, operations is no walk in the park or by the lake or any other peaceful location… I have been here for 15 years and never questioned healthcare until this year.

[—Participant]

Do I trust the vaccine? I’d trust it to babysit my kids…

If I had kids…

And that was a thing vaccines could do.

That said, I’m bound to be a somewhat lower priority. Currently, about 4,000 doses have been shipped to BC (I’m not sure if that’s doses for 4,000 people, or 4,000 first doses). Total population is over 5 million, though those under 16 are not getting vaccinated at this time. Still, millions of people and very limited supply. I am not in an elevated risk group for complications, I am not an essential worker, I will be afforded the ability to live a fairly solitary life for the next half year. There are so many others who should be vaccinated before me.

Right now only Pfizer is approved in Canada, but Moderna will probably be approved soon too. Hopefully covid restrictions are fully maintained until a considerable portion of the population is known to have been vaccinated. Like many countries, recent numbers have been appalling. Some people who have been vaccinated may see it as an opportunity to go 100% back to normal, but like most vaccines, it’s not 100% effective. And we’ve seen many people lying about being unable to wear masks or outright refusing. Having them lie and say they are vaccinated when they aren’t is somewhat of a concern.

[jakelafortParticipant]

It is a perfect time to teach kids about confirmation bias. I can’t speak to the rest of the globe but in USA Trump supporters have in large measure rejected safety precautions as an infringement on their liberty as opposed to a minor sacrifice for health. And so they ignore and misdirect the mountains of evidence showing how efficacious those safety measures are they will point to allergic reactions to the vaccine and any deaths as proof that their suspicions about the deep state are spot on. Or some such thinking…

[—Participant]

Also a time to teach them the difference between fighting ‘tyranny’ and railing against reality.

[Reg the Fronkey FarmerModerator]

Sorry guys, I was just reporting on an FB post I saw on my friend’s computer. It was from a “Social Justice Warrior for Jesus” who started the post by claim it will be a “cold day in hell ” before he would take the vaccine. I should have made that clear as it now reads like I was asking an idiotic question. Well I was asking an idiotic question but did not intend to make myself sound like an idiot!! Should have put a few 🙂 🙂 at the end. I hope it stays warm in Hell.

Yes, the Moderna vaccine had its RNA chain modified to make it more stable at higher temperatures.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert and Kristina,

 

I, for one have never seen this as an issue of Vaccines vs. Freedom and as the links above  about George Washington show, neither did many Americans during The American Revolution.

 

If anything, vaccines and other safeguards against disease means living to fight another day and many other days.

Anti-vaccine hysteria is just another part of the whole Postmodern, post-truth intellectual landscape we’ve come to know and love in recent times. /sarcasm

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Robert and Kristina,

 

I, for one have never seen this as an issue of Vaccines vs. Freedom and as the links above  about George Washington show, neither did many Americans during The American Revolution.

 

If anything, vaccines and other safeguards against disease means living to fight another day and many other days.

Anti-vaccine hysteria is just another part of the whole Postmodern, post-truth intellectual landscape we’ve come to know and love in recent times. /sarcasm

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jody Lee,

Congrats on the vaccine!  If it leaves a mark, wear it with pride as a real virtue signal!  Flaunt it before anti-vaxxers for spite.  I know I will when I get mine.  It sure beats a Starbucks cup or a Chik-Fil-A bag any day.

• This reply was modified 3 years, 9 months ago by  TheEncogitationer.

[_Robert_Participant]

I have learned a lot about what “freedom” really means to so many Americans. I swim in a sea of idiotic ideologs.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Encogitationer, you wrote…Anti-vaccine hysteria is just another part of the whole Postmodern, post-truth intellectual landscape we’ve come to know and love in recent times. /sarcasm. According to wiki..It has existed since the invention of vaccination, and pre-dates the coining of the terms “vaccine” and “vaccination” by nearly 80 years. The specific hypotheses raised by anti-vaccination advocates have been found to change over time.[9] Vaccine hesitancy often results in disease outbreaks and deaths from vaccine-preventable diseases.[10][11][12][13][14][15] So factually you are probably mistaken in your postmodern characterization. But that is not why i am responding to your post.

I take issue with your limiting characterization as though the BS of the anti vaxxers springs forth as an aspect of a new phenomenon. On the contrary, nothing has fundamentally changed in the perpetuation of lies, stereotypes of hatred, conspiracy theories and similar dreck. It is not a post-modern issue although i agree there is an issue with the subjectivity of truth. We have century after century of lies being repeated. Those lies have resulted in genocides, in pogroms, in various forms of persecution and discrimination. The abominable results of those lies do nothing to dissuade the agents of those lies.

I understand your attachment to the ideals of a free marketplace of ideas. It is just that it does not stand up to reality. It would or might if those ideas were bandied about by only the most educated and intelligent among us. I also understand your attachment to the constitutional notion of free speech in which offensive ideas are no rationale for censorship. And i credit those ideas in certain areas like sex and political speech. However when it comes to hate speech it is not simply that it is offensive. Instead it is that the as hate speech flourishes harm results. When hate speech hits critical mass it becomes the norm as it did in Nazi Germany.

Your characterization of hate crime laws as trick laws is missing the point. Hate crimes are a separate crime. They are in addition to the underlying crime. When one is motivated to murder a gay man for no other reason than orientation then it is a crime unto itself. Furthermore your underlying assumption that the law is blind to the status of the protected class is simply untrue. We have/had laws that favor the wealthy and elite. Twas ever thus. But to protect the marginilized group of citizens from unspeakable crimes is trickery? Lets see. Who is negatively affected by the censorship of the most virulent hate speech? That is dangerous asshole motherfuckers. Who is harmed by the establishment of hate crime laws. See prior answer.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Jake,

Anti-vaccine sentiment obviously comes and goes, since polio, syphilis, gonorrhea, tuberculosis, and other dangerous, communicable diseases are barely a thing in the United States and other advanced Western societies.

Anti-vaccine sentiments never last because, well, they tend to die off with the adherents. Duh-huh, Hurr-durr!

Jake, on the thread “Are There Dangerous Ideas?” you used more slurs, canards, calumny, and stereotypes than I or most people even think of using in a lifetime, yet you seem to think you are educated and intelligent enough to use these without bring affected by them. How does it feel to be a higher order of humanity?

Speaking of, have you heard of The Southern Poverty Law Center? They are some real $Half-Billion Dollar-valued shakedown operation assholes to their employees and hired help, made worse by their claim to be fighting all forms of bigotry.  As The Bard once put it: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks:”

Southern Poverty Law Center fires co-founder Morris Dees amid employee uproar
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-splc-morris-dees-20190314-story.html

Higher order of humanity? As for me, I’ll pass. Hard pass.

[Jody LeeParticipant]

Over 48 hours later…No side effects. We vaccinated 106 people and the only complaint was tenderness in the injection site. 

[jakelafortParticipant]

a do do do…a dah dah…hi dur dur…duh duh..hurr

There is a lot i might say but fuck it.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Evidently that vaccine results in a radiant smile. Nice pic Jody!

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