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[Simon Paynton]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

Why humans are not clever chimps. (interesting site)

Theophilus Painter was not a very rigorous thinker, he kept making mistakes, of assuming things when he didn’t know, sometimes rooted in racial bias it is probably true.

New data from the National Institutes of Health show the human genome varies from the chimp genome not by 1.4 percent but by closer to 13.5 percent, says Leaf.

That sounds more realistic than 1.4%.

Many scientists believe that the instinctive lives of animals can teach us much about the inner lives of humans.

In the process, the inner life of humans follows one long chain of degradation. The whole medley of conditions and feelings known as “human behavior” loses its splendid pitch; the delicate sentiments, the exalted thoughts, and the urge to poetry are all viewed from the perspective of the animal, whose sole goal is to survive and reproduce. The scientific approach hardly inspires.

It depends on how good you are at philosophy.

[jakelafort]

The chimp article was spurious if not arboreous.

The herd won’t chime in if they’re incurious.

Where to start. Let me see. Rip it up and set the herd free. The notion that bias seeps into science is true. It does not however follow that Jane Goodall’s conclusions were nonscientific and one of the bases of bias.

“Chimps aren’t that smart; on the contrary, dogs are closer to people in their ability to grasp speech and language. Stupid statement. It defines intelligence (smart) through the lens of how close to humans other animals are. Furthermore it is probably untrue. Sign language learned by chimps and gorillas impressive.

“Chimps aren’t that social; they have little interest in working together, unlike humans, who are very social” Really? Can you conduct war without cooperation? So a common objective and they work together. “Chimps are far more violent on an individual level than human beings are. People who bought into the belief that chimps are sweet and adopted them as home companions were sometimes seriously injured.” Man, you’d need evidence to convince me of this contention. And in terms of humans injured who raise chimps from what i know or have read it is when males becomes sexually mature. And note well that those chimps are not in a natural envirionment and that likely causes frustration that leads to aggression. How are young male muslims in their unnatural cult environs? Strap a suicide bomb and have some means to make it to me so hawny world.

It is gonna take me too long to critique this whole article so i will leave it at that and get back to my equine buddies.

[TheEncogitationer]

Reg, Simon Paynton, and Jake:

Why humans are not clever chimps. (interesting site)

Well, there are lots of things to be said here.

A 13.5 percent difference in DNA versus 1.4 percent difference is still comparatively close and humans, chimps, and apes are still close enough to all be equally on the primate branch of the Darwinian Tree of Life.

They are, however, distant enough to be separate species, and gametes from these different species would not produce fertile offspring, and maybe not even viable offspring or even viable embroyos.

The ability of two organisms, male and female, to produce fertile offspring is what makes the two organisms of the same species.

Either fact does not refute Evolution, as some Creationists might try to claim. The genetic closeness of all the primates and their differences that arose in changes of environment both illustrate the truth of Evolution.

And to address Theophilus Painter…(You know who else was a Theo-philus Painter, whom General George Patton called a “paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch”?👨🏻 Sorry, I couldn’t resist. I’ll let myself out guns a’ blazing.😁)

Anywho, Theophilus Painter obviously went way askew of reality in his racist segregationism because obviously male and female members of homo sapiens with different phenotypes can still produce fertile offspring with the same type of rational cognitive apparatus. And those offspring are as bright and good as they are taught to be.

The physical differences of Homo Sapeins are the product of adaptations to environment passed down over generations and all differences in thought and normative behavior are the product of culture and choice.

More proof of Evolution. It’s just that the lines within our species are more like a stretched out chain-link fence instead of branches on a tree. And when it comes to culture and choice, we Homo Sapiens have just got it like that!

One thing Homo Sapiens and chimps sadly do share is war-making capability. The recent chimp wars in Uganda prove this and didn’t need any prompting from us and didn’t happen in captivity. We and the chimps both probably got this from a common ancestor. We Homo Sapiens just surround our wars with ideology and religion.

[Simon Paynton]

According to my studies, one of the big differences between chimps (and the other great apes) and humans, is that we are “domesticated” (compared with them, our society is not structured around male-male dominance relations).  That means that we are able to cooperate and share.  Chimps can’t share, and therefore there’s no point cooperating.

We took this sharing and cooperation, and conquered the world.  Now look at us.

Tomasello said that chimps are social but not very cooperative.  Of course, they are hyper-social.  They’re also very quarrelsome.

[Strega]

@Enco

”We Homo Sapiens just surround our wars with ideology and religion” is quite a profound statement.

This fits in with the behaviours of some of the far flung tribal groups I’ve lived with. For them, religion is a comfort, not a cause. They still have aggression, but the dividers between ‘them’ and ‘us’ are more commonly tribal root orientated, or territorially driven rather than ideological

Using ideology or religion for our warmongering simply raises the fighting totem to a place where it cannot be proven or disproven – useful for all kinds of propaganda purposes.

Are we really fighting religious wars, or is religion just a handy cause to wave around in order to justify our primitively violent nature…

[jakelafort]

Strega,

We are plastic. It is neither a vehicle nor a root.

[jakelafort]

Where male dominance is in effect as it is among chimanzees we observe no human rights. Chimanzees regard females in estrus or not as property. Worse than traditional slaves in some regards. Male chimps will do their dangdest to separate a female from the troop and rape it with a few good thrusts and then it is back to the troop and nobody knows the better.

Chimanzees, though, will sell off their child daughters in exchange for baksheesh to be raped and beaten at the pleasure of the males. It is good to be king.

[TheEncogitationer]

Strega:

This fits in with the behaviours of some of the far flung tribal groups I’ve lived with. For them, religion is a comfort, not a cause. They still have aggression, but the dividers between ‘them’ and ‘us’ are more commonly tribal root orientated, or territorially driven rather than ideological

Interesting. Sometime, whenever you’re so inclined, please tell more about you living with tribes. Was it part of an Anthropological or Archeological study or career?

How do you suppose they would react if someone told them their “comfort” was an illusion? I’m thinking after the initial stage of grief, they might jump straight to anger.

Using ideology or religion for our warmongering simply raises the fighting totem to a place where it cannot be proven or disproven – useful for all kinds of propaganda purposes.

Very true, which is why religious and ideological wars are widespread and especially bloody. The Thirty Years War in Europe slaughtered like 3/4s of the population of the nations involved, all over the most trifling differences between Catholicism and Protestantism.

And the seldom-discussed Taipei Rebellion in Nineteenth Century China was started by a man who thought himself the brother of Jesus Christ and that war killed more than World War I.

And the entire history of Islam is about the ongoing and mortal conflict between Dar Al-Islam (The House of Islam or the Ummah) and Dar Al-Harb (The House of War, which is the rest of humanity.)

Are we really fighting religious wars, or is religion just a handy cause to wave around in order to justify our primitively violent nature…

Sometimes, but sometimes religion is the nub of the jist. I mean, what resources would petrol-rich Islamic nations have to gain from spots like Trinidad and Tobago or East Timor?

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake,

All true, and again, chimps are like that without human assistance or encouragement.

[jakelafort]

Enco,

Chimps can be culturally morphed to alternate behaviors. The whole debate is like nature/nurture. If you ascribe all to one or other you have missed the fed ex delivery.

The plastisity of human behavior is remarkable. There is no depth of stupidity and credulity too far. No depth of moral bankruptcy too depraved. Comfort in the social contagion as it is raging.

I just wish the lefties’ would be ignominiously crushed through argument. It takes so little to see through the depravity and racism that is brought on by Lefty propaganda/religion.

[Strega]

@Enco the tribes I lived with were NZ Māori, Fijian Pacific Islanders and a little with the Aborigines in Australia. Not part of any group or organisation – I went by myself, and bearing in mind the potential risks, I probably ought to be dead several times over, by now.

Stories about all of them, that changed my perceptions of almost everything.  I was a wild child in my youth.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

Chimps can be culturally morphed to alternate behaviors. The whole debate is like nature/nurture. If you ascribe all to one or other you have missed the fed ex delivery.Chimps can be culturally morphed to alternate behaviors. The whole debate is like nature/nurture. If you ascribe all to one or other you have missed the fed ex delivery.

The reports of the chimp wars in Uganda didn’t mention the chimps having laptops or TVs or receipts of weapons from Blackwater, so until I see some, I’m going with this war being all on the chimps.

The plastisity of human behavior is remarkable. There is no depth of stupidity and credulity too far. No depth of moral bankruptcy too depraved. Comfort in the social contagion as it is raging.

I just wish the lefties’ would be ignominiously crushed through argument. It takes so little to see through the depravity and racism that is brought on by Lefty propaganda/religion.

You are correct here and it’s spread all around, including among descendents of victims of genocide:

MAGA lawmaker astonishes with ‘unspeakably racist’ rant on live TV: ‘Eject this guy’
https://www.rawstory.com/randy-fine-2676843589/

I mean both Jews and Armenians were victims of genocides and should be natural allies, yet Not-So-Fine and Bizarre-ian go at each other’s throats and shame their own nation’s causes. Can’t both Candidates lose horribly?

• This reply was modified 2 weeks, 4 days ago by TheEncogitationer. Reason: Soelling

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

The Dumbnamic Duo on the Democratic Left side is Bernie Sanders and Graham Platner:

Democrats support Graham Platner because there’s a ‘D’ next to his name: Joe Concha
Story by Britta Miller, Washington Examiner • 9h
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-support-graham-platner-because-there-s-a-d-next-to-his-name-joe-concha/ar-AA22f7Cd

A Democratic Socialist with the Anti-Zionism of a Nazi encoring a Nazi Tattoo-sporting self-professed Commie. It all swirls together with enough spin and vertigo.

[jakelafort]

Enco,

Here is AI response to “Do chimps have culture?”

Yes, chimpanzees exhibit culture, defined as behaviors that are socially transmitted rather than genetically inherited or caused solely by ecological factors. Different chimpanzee communities across Africa possess unique traditions—such as specific tool usage, grooming techniques, and courtship rituals—passed down through generations.

The following is Van Jones giving a little history lesson regarding Blacks and Jews. Same guy who pointed out what is painfully obvious but goes unsaid by lefties that the Anti Israel shit was supposed to be about the government. Zionism. Not hatred of Jews when in fact the lefties are encouraging collective guilt of Jews for the fictions they create.

[jakelafort]

Strega,

Any stories you care to share i am all ears.

Also, how did your experiences alter your world view?

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